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llyriad is amazing. But unfortunately if you let people do whatever they want to whoever they want (both in GC and ingame) it is going to end up in the gutter. Toxicity like this kills games.

This game has a lot of potential. And it also has a lot of problems. The developers know about them. I was hoping for fixes for a long time - unfortunately that did not happen. In my opinion we are at a point where just content (Faction AI) is not going to fix the game and the player base.

I am a competitive player. I like PvP. I do a lot of PvP myself in other areas (sports, boardgames, other PC games). But war in Illyriad is not a fair fight - especially if you are on my side. The weakest players get attacked. On my side that means a casual or a player taking a break gets attacked - who cannot defend himself.

That kind of "war" in Illyriad is a game where one side has guns and the other side has nothing. Where defenseless players get shot down because someone is bored or finds it fun. But that is something that is not fun for me. At all.

I love this game. And i care about the game and the players in it. That is my biggest weakness. But that is me and that is not going to change. So its time to finally leave. To be finally away from all the toxicity. I should have done it earlier in hindsight.
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Originally posted by King Sigerius King Sigerius wrote:

llyriad is amazing. But unfortunately if you let people do whatever they want to whoever they want (both in GC and ingame) it is going to end up in the gutter. Toxicity like this kills games.

This game has a lot of potential. And it also has a lot of problems. The developers know about them. I was hoping for fixes for a long time - unfortunately that did not happen. In my opinion we are at a point where just content (Faction AI) is not going to fix the game and the player base.

I am a competitive player. I like PvP. I do a lot of PvP myself in other areas (sports, boardgames, other PC games). But war in Illyriad is not a fair fight - especially if you are on my side. The weakest players get attacked. On my side that means a casual or a player taking a break gets attacked - who cannot defend himself.

That kind of "war" in Illyriad is a game where one side has guns and the other side has nothing. Where defenseless players get shot down because someone is bored or finds it fun. But that is something that is not fun for me. At all.

I love this game. And i care about the game and the players in it. That is my biggest weakness. But that is me and that is not going to change. So its time to finally leave. To be finally away from all the toxicity. I should have done it earlier in hindsight.


You could have at least put a quote around it. As that is a direct copy&paste from a post i made around 10 months ago: http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/i-am-taking-a-break-goodybe-illyriad_topic11047.html

At that time and situation i still agree with the post i made. But since then a lot changed (most of it to the better). 

So not sure what your point is?


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Do you think Iron had troops in february? We just all returned from an 8 month break. Under 100k.
Was the war not fun for Sma? You're no victim, your roster is filled with war players, yall didnt need to cheat. It was fair until then.
You're extremely manipulative. You expect people to treat you like you're special. Regardless of your hypocrisy. You claim your team is defenseless, I didn't see that. I did see everything Ten K talked about. You did that and the fact he wrote about it is your excuse to act this way?
You're psycho dude. You and your members keep calling us terrorists, you should be banned for that. Maybe jailed, those kind of accusations are serious and here they are immortalized in our forums.
And then you go on to blame the devs for allowing these things in the mechanics while you do them. War mechanics were perfect last year. As soon as you dip your toes into war you screw it for everyone else? WTF 
Go play something else, quit ruining the game I love. You cry enough about everything while being the biggest offender.
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Guys! This post was about a war (of course: your war), but not your personal argument. I would say it isn't an argument at all, it's just awful. You are blaming each other and what for - i don't know - feeling better yourself?
I have to say one or two things:
I'm just here since one year. I do not know everything about this war. In fact i know almost nothing about his beginnings.
But i know one thing: Your hostility is destroying this game. Both of you say that this game is very important for you, that you want to improve it, but in fact both of you do the opposite.
One forum post sounded like you would have been friends a decade ago and it seems possible, because you seem to have a similar point of view at least in some things.
If I had the power, i would force you to build up a new alliance together or to come up with game developement ideas for a better warfare game together (because you both are experienced with this and both of you want changes there). But i don't have this power and i think nobody apart of you has it.
There seems to be no way back since both of you got a whole alliance involved in your personal hostility and one of you abandoned/had to abandon (or whatever), but I hope that you will find a possibility to leave each other in peace. And if you want to go on like this, find another way, so that other players can enjoy the game again without your toxic hostility.
One of you seems to be a bit arrogant the other one to be a bit aggressive, everyone has weaknesses, just this combination is a bit complicated at the moment.
Maybe this will go on, i do not have the power to stop this, but at least i tried.

This post is not connected with my alliance or any other players in this game, it's just my personal opinion. But maybe some others here think the same (or i'm standing alone and will get all my citys razed for this).
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Originally posted by King Sigerius King Sigerius wrote:

Do you think Iron had troops in february? We just all returned from an 8 month break. Under 100k.
Was the war not fun for Sma? You're no victim, your roster is filled with war players, yall didnt need to cheat. It was fair until then.
You're extremely manipulative. You expect people to treat you like you're special. Regardless of your hypocrisy. You claim your team is defenseless, I didn't see that. I did see everything Ten K talked about. You did that and the fact he wrote about it is your excuse to act this way?
You're psycho dude. You and your members keep calling us terrorists, you should be banned for that. Maybe jailed, those kind of accusations are serious and here they are immortalized in our forums.
And then you go on to blame the devs for allowing these things in the mechanics while you do them. War mechanics were perfect last year. As soon as you dip your toes into war you screw it for everyone else? WTF 
Go play something else, quit ruining the game I love. You cry enough about everything while being the biggest offender.
Maybe you and Iron just stay away from SMA? That is all SMA ever asked. We had little issues before you decided to be aggressive against us. Back then you called me an important part of the community.

You still do not seem to get the point. Sorry to tell you that - but your posts tell me i did a good job.
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Originally posted by Othello Othello wrote:

Guys! This post was about a war (of course: your war), but not your personal argument. I would say it isn't an argument at all, it's just awful. You are blaming each other and what for - i don't know - feeling better yourself?
I have to say one or two things:
I'm just here since one year. I do not know everything about this war. In fact i know almost nothing about his beginnings.
But i know one thing: Your hostility is destroying this game. Both of you say that this game is very important for you, that you want to improve it, but in fact both of you do the opposite.
One forum post sounded like you would have been friends a decade ago and it seems possible, because you seem to have a similar point of view at least in some things.
If I had the power, i would force you to build up a new alliance together or to come up with game developement ideas for a better warfare game together (because you both are experienced with this and both of you want changes there). But i don't have this power and i think nobody apart of you has it.
There seems to be no way back since both of you got a whole alliance involved in your personal hostility and one of you abandoned/had to abandon (or whatever), but I hope that you will find a possibility to leave each other in peace. And if you want to go on like this, find another way, so that other players can enjoy the game again without your toxic hostility.
One of you seems to be a bit arrogant the other one to be a bit aggressive, everyone has weaknesses, just this combination is a bit complicated at the moment.
Maybe this will go on, i do not have the power to stop this, but at least i tried.

This post is not connected with my alliance or any other players in this game, it's just my personal opinion. But maybe some others here think the same (or i'm standing alone and will get all my citys razed for this).

Unfortunately this is what warfare is in Illyriad. I have been playing Illyriad for over 7 years now and warfare was always this toxic. With or without me and King Sigerius. Sorry. That is why i never wanted to do warfare and instead help, teach and play tournaments.

There are a lot of grudges and players cannot let it go. Unfortunately that is just how it is.

I made quite a few suggestions and tried to improve the situation. Lets see - one can dream.

Thank you for your post Smile


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I've had a good time warring for the past decade. 
Dude you moved to us, we never planned on going outside of Aindara. I've made friends with all of my enemies quickly after peace. Sma will be an exception.
Oth, you have a very valid point of view. A lot of times it works that way. At least has in my experience. There's 1 factor here that is unlike other wars I have had. A player allowed to cheat and break rules. Read what Thirion posted from the warmonger blog. This is that X10.
I wish the devs would say something along the lines of "you can't call people terrorists" but instead we can't say torpedo. And the excuse is being able to do it lol.
Sportsmanlike conduct, trash talk is part of war, hacking isn't. Manipulating devs has never been a strategy before. 
I'm mad because noone else is mad about cheating. 
We were both having fun until a couple months ago Thirion (but not Re as you newb rung one of them immediately).
This wasn't personal until you cheated on me :(



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Originally posted by King Sigerius King Sigerius wrote:

I've had a good time warring for the past decade.
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We were both having fun until a couple months ago Thirion (but not Re as you newb rung one of them immediately).


This war was never fun for me.
  1. Peaceful and casual players losing cities without them having any chance of defending was not fun
  2. Players abandoning because of the war was not fun
  3. Aggressive language and personal attacks since the first days of the war was not fun
  4. Slander/Libel and lies was not fun
  5. Destroying someone elses "property" is not fun for me
  6. Razing cities without Iron being able to put up a decent defense was not fun
You might enjoy warfare. I do not.

If you would have given me the freedom to chose what i wanted to do then no war would have been the first choice, then a "fair" war - and the current war would have been the last option by far. Unfortunately i did not have a choice.

I tried everything in my power to avoid this war. Unfortunately King Sigerius wanted the hard landclaim and there was no reasonable way around it.

I am done now talking to King Sigerius and about the Iron vs SMA war. Please leave SMA and me alone. Thank you.
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Originally posted by Thirion Thirion wrote:

This war was never fun for me.


I think i need to clarify this statement. There have been positive parts in this war (e.g. learning new things, putting up and executing operations and strategies and outplaying the enemy). Unfortunately at all times the negative aspects did outweight the positive ones - thus at all times the war was for me personally less fun then other content (e.g. tournaments).

A "fair" war that i suggested would have been different - as most of the negative parts would have been gone. Unfortunately that is not what we got.
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Firstly, "cheat using GDT? Pay enough pres." I’m tired of this argument. We do not treat players who buy prestige any differently than players who do not. It’s one of the great things about this game is that players have the opportunity to play in a non-biased experience based on putting money into it. Do we as a dev team appreciate it, sure. Do we make decisions based on if someone has or not. Absolutely not. 


Secondly, I want to point out that this thread has completely and utterly shown vitriol from both sides and is not conducive or appropriate to the community standards. 


Lastly, anyone who thinks we have either the time or inclination to make global, long-term changes to the entire game to benefit a particular alliance at a particular moment in a particular war is flat out wrong.


This thread is now being locked by the Development Team. Be aware, any further attempt to consistently attack each other goes against the forum rules in place can and will result in your forum account being suspended. I.E. referencing to other players as terrorists, psychopaths, or sociopaths.


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