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Points: 3820 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Sep 2011 at 23:09
Originally posted by Dakota Strider Dakota Strider wrote:

Originally posted by GM Stormcrow GM Stormcrow wrote:

Originally posted by Dakota Strider Dakota Strider wrote:

When the GM's and developers put a rule down in writing, than I will be sure to comply.  But perhaps the reason they have not put your rules into effect, is because they do not agree. 
Just for clarification - and really not wishing the dev team to be drawn into Illy player or alliance politics - we neither agree nor disagree.  

Illyriad is, by design, a sandbox game.  This means that it is what the players themselves choose to make of it, without any prescription of playstyle from us beyond some simple rules (such as the automatic "new player protection").

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Thanks for clarifying SC.  It was not my intention to draw you, or any others of the dev team into this.  Only making the point, that people are allowed to play the game as they wish, if it is not forbidden by the official rules.

From our perspective, that's absolutely spot on, Dakota.  And when - played within the rules - different playstyles create friction... then that's the nature of a sandbox, and is very much by design.

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Points: 43 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Sep 2011 at 23:04
Originally posted by Createure Createure wrote:

Once a kid poured sand down my boxers while I was making a pretty sand castle with my red bucket and green plastic spade, he even stomped on my castle...

On that day I swore to dedicate my life the protection of innocent plastic-castleers and swore I would bring to justice all bullies in sandy environments contained within boxes.

They call me... "SANDY_PANTS_MAN!"


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LOL, Sandy.
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Points: 1191 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Sep 2011 at 23:00
Once a kid poured sand down my boxers while I was making a pretty sand castle with my red bucket and green plastic spade, he even stomped on my castle...

On that day I swore to dedicate my life the protection of innocent plastic-castleers and swore I would bring to justice all bullies in sandy environments contained within boxes.

They call me... "SANDY_PANTS_MAN!"
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Imo, you are spot on, TD... (as usual)
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Let me sum up...

It appears to me that this war is rooted in an inherent conflict of playstyles within the sandbox that is Illyriad.

Some players come into Illy looking to beat up on anyone smaller than them.  This is a dominate playstyle in many other MMOs.  And in the early days of Illy, this was probably the dominate playstyle here.

A group of players decided about a year ago that such a playstyle, if allowed to dominate Illy, would render the complexity of Illy meaningless.  It would also mean that Illy would not be a sandbox, it would just be another Zerg MMO.   In short, the 2 fundamentally opposed groups can be called "Sandboxers" and "Zergers."

Lorre and Amroth are just 2 of the many players that are Sandboxers.  However, both of them are very vocal on GC and thus draw the attention of the Zergers.

Over time, the Zergers have grown and become more brazen.  This war is brought by the Sandboxers against the Zergers to preserve the sandbox nature of Illy.

The Zergers have brought this on themselves by refusing to limit their attacks among players and alliances that have the same playstyle.  As StJude told me on GC, that's just not fun to them to fight agreed battles.  So they attack players that are not interested in Zerging.  Well, when a Zerger imposes a battle on a player trying to do other things in the sandbox, then the Sandboxer is being deprived of his right to enjoy his playstyle.

Folks have been asking about Victory Conditions for this war.  Here's what I have gleaned...

H? has no specific Victory Conditions, they will decide as the war progresses when they have made their point.  The OP in this thread clearly says that H? does not intend player or alliance destruction ... so that is not the starting point for victory in H?'s eyes.

If I'm on target regarding this being a conflict of Sandboxers vs. Zergers, then it would make sense that the final resolution will be the Zergers realizing that attacking other players for the fun of it is NOT a playstyle that a strong group of players will abide.
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Originally posted by GM Stormcrow GM Stormcrow wrote:

Originally posted by Dakota Strider Dakota Strider wrote:

When the GM's and developers put a rule down in writing, than I will be sure to comply.  But perhaps the reason they have not put your rules into effect, is because they do not agree. 
Just for clarification - and really not wishing the dev team to be drawn into Illy player or alliance politics - we neither agree nor disagree.  

Illyriad is, by design, a sandbox game.  This means that it is what the players themselves choose to make of it, without any prescription of playstyle from us beyond some simple rules (such as the automatic "new player protection").

Regards,

SC


Thanks for clarifying SC.  It was not my intention to draw you, or any others of the dev team into this.  Only making the point, that people are allowed to play the game as they wish, if it is not forbidden by the official rules.
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Originally posted by Tanis Tanis wrote:

To clarify , we didnt recieve any help with the cities we razed. That is false info.



Then to be 100% accurate, I will state that only Curse attacked roller/Spirit's cities.  Except the one that Rainstorm razed, which drew Valar troops in that direction to try to defend.  HOWEVER, Dlord armies were used to reinforce the camps around Spirit's cities, and we had to treat them as just as viable a threat as Curse armies.  That made it more difficult for us to defend our member's cities.  So...you did receive help.  And my information was not false,  just not fully detailed. 

I do not know if Curse asked for Dlord's help or not.   I am willing to believe that they may have acted for reasons of their own, or by another one of their confederate's request.   The fact is, their armies were there, and Curse benefited from it. 


Edited by Dakota Strider - 25 Sep 2011 at 22:39
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Points: 3820 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Sep 2011 at 21:58
Originally posted by Dakota Strider Dakota Strider wrote:

When the GM's and developers put a rule down in writing, than I will be sure to comply.  But perhaps the reason they have not put your rules into effect, is because they do not agree. 
Just for clarification - and really not wishing the dev team to be drawn into Illy player or alliance politics - we neither agree nor disagree.  

Illyriad is, by design, a sandbox game.  This means that it is what the players themselves choose to make of it, without any prescription of playstyle from us beyond some simple rules (such as the automatic "new player protection").

Regards,

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Points: 11 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Sep 2011 at 21:53

To clarify , we didnt recieve any help with the cities we razed. That is false info.
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