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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Sep 2011 at 03:39
I'm pretty sure the forums censor them selves, let me see.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Sep 2011 at 03:30
The forums don't censor automatically Kurfist so Lawn did have to censor himself. The GMs have to come in and remove offence language which, I'm sure we can all agree, is time they can better spend elsewhere in the game and not moderating us.

Shame they can't do anything about the steaming piles of troll dung building up though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Sep 2011 at 00:46
I don't think you have to censor yourself Lawn, the forums do it for you.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Sep 2011 at 00:33
Originally posted by StJude StJude wrote:

Originally posted by Createure Createure wrote:

 really, seriously, honestly cannot be bothered with this clever tete-a-tete that people like you seem to relish StJude.

When you stop replying, I *might* actually believe you.....


Sad little man.

You laugh at people who react emotionally to your deliberate goading and palm it off as some sort of justification to your argument or moral victory.

All you do is stir sh*t up then shout about moral victory from your cross, hypocritical matyr.

Clever little Jude, making his bed with Valar after baiting Champs. Howz your clever wordplay left you now?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Sep 2011 at 23:55
This thread is tiresome,

The fate of the sandbox is decided. Mob rule; Lynch parties and EOM Harry sitting beside the guillotine with his knitting needles.

...meanwhile Kumo tells us he is having the biggest laugh he has had for months.

This was supposed to be the centrepiece of forum activity - the Big Billed War between Valar and Harmless, In the end H? called on 4 of its vassal alliances to make a win certain.

I have used the word before and I will use it again "Anti-Climax"

One of the buzz words that H? leaders love to saviour is "Kudos". Well there isn't any here Kumo. Only the deluded and the ignorant would think that was any to milk from this shabby episode.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Sep 2011 at 23:53
Originally posted by Celebcalen Celebcalen wrote:

also deserves a "Peace Movement" including players like " and Azreil....


LOLLOLLOL

Ive heard of (Drawing a...) LongBows but you take the cake.

LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Sep 2011 at 21:54


And, most relevant - Post by Rill, Page 27

Oooh! I have an answer to that in that thread. Here it is:

Dear Rill,

"Has it ever occurred to you that just because people don't agree with them does not mean that they are in the wrong? Forgive me if I'm mistaken, but your post implies that Valar should reexamine themselves, reflect on their "mistakes." Which to me, is imposing your principles on them.

I think that some people are right (I forgot who lol) who have said in the forums that these opinions are of people that are active in GC. And not everyone is active in GC, more so share the belief of the people their. Yes, Valar may be the minority in the way that they play the game. They may not be as sociable as the others in terms of bonding with people in GC. And they may have made mistakes in handling some of their members. But that does not entitle them to be wrong. You may be a respected and beloved player on GC, but you are not the one who sets definitions on what is right and wrong in this game."

It very much sounds like Rill is saying that Valar is wrong because people don't agree with them. That does sound like mob justice.
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On the contrary, I was not making a statement about Valar being wrong or right based on people agreeing with them.  I was merely stating that, contrary to their claims of speaking for a silent majority, many people don't seem to agree with them, as evidenced by the fact that they've declared war.

If the main reason that Valar holds a particular position is that they feel that they stand for others also hold the position (the silent majority they reference), then they should reconsider their opinion based on evidence.  If they have other reasons for holding an opinion, that is a separate matter.

I personally don't agree with the view that has been imputed to Valar (and have asked them about in my post here http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/pa-and-champ-declare-war-against-valar_topic2447_page33.html.)

What I am urging is that we begin to have a fruitful discussion of the pros and cons of one position or another, rather than resorting to counting the number of people who agree or disagree.  Based on your post, I think we may be in agreement on this.  Perhaps you might like to comment on my question to Valar to make it clear where you stand, and the reasons for your position.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Sep 2011 at 20:59
Originally posted by Createure Createure wrote:

 really, seriously, honestly cannot be bothered with this clever tete-a-tete that people like you seem to relish StJude.

When you stop replying, I *might* actually believe you.....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Sep 2011 at 20:55
That's the thing. There is almost no Harmless posts in this thread or the other big one.. Maybe 1 per page or less?

And every time someone does post about 5 of the same old people jump on the, this is the very reason that KP made the comment about 'keeping it brief' in the original post.

We're all old players and we've all been around Illy for quite a while, we've seen it all before with regards public forums - we just want to enjoy something a little bit different from the usual hum-drum in this sandbox and really, seriously, honestly cannot be bothered with this clever tete-a-tete that people like you seem to relish StJude.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Sep 2011 at 20:49
Originally posted by StJude StJude wrote:



players are now questioning why it takes 5 alliances to fight 1



I don't think it's an issue of 5 alliances against 1, it seems more that there are a few groups of people who feel that eliminating one group (for multiple reasons) is what everything boils down to. Why are there 5 large alliances all teaming up against one? I would say that they all want a piece of the spoils, it's no secret that VALAR is in trouble and will lose this war (unless something extreme like all of Crow comes to their rescue).

The real question is how far will this war go? Will it stop once the main VALAR leaders are taken down or will all of VALAR be vanquished? What are peace terms?
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