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StJude
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Joined: 12 Jun 2011
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Posted: 08 Oct 2011 at 00:59 |
HonoredMule wrote:
If enough people disliked Harmless to destroy us, there would be lots of spoils, strutting, and opportunity for political advancement to spread around. But siding against Blue doesn't even net a spot in a lynch mob.
It's just mankind's baser attributes raising their reliable rumps, reaping where they have not sown and roaring to get their rocks off. It's not hard to see what they really care about is themselves and what they really want is sabotage and destruction wrought against whomever is perceived as being higher on the proverbial ladder. As for the "victim?" Well, it's easy to stand up for someone who's not in your way against someone who is. More like "convenient alignment of objectives" I'd call it.
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What is becoming increasingly obvious is that you are unwilling to address the arguments raised against you, you continue with your straw man attempts and now move to Ad Hominem attacks.
What's not hard to see here is that you don't really have a legitimate reason to proceed with your "retribution". I'd respect H? a whole lot more if your just said:
"We're doing it because we can"
Anyway, you know what's easier? To cower in fear before those who wield power and tacitly condone the actions of a bully for fear of reprisals.
This is clearly not a "game" to you.
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HonoredMule
Postmaster General
Joined: 05 Mar 2010
Location: Canada
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Points: 1650
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Posted: 08 Oct 2011 at 00:40 |
Uther wrote:
Why is H? being held up as the bad guy when this guy was a complete rat? |
If enough people disliked Harmless to destroy us, there would be lots of spoils, strutting, and opportunity for political advancement to spread around.  But siding against Blue doesn't even net a spot in a lynch mob. It's just mankind's baser attributes raising their reliable rumps, reaping where they have not sown and roaring to get their rocks off. It's not hard to see what they really care about is themselves and what they really want is sabotage and destruction wrought against whomever is perceived as being higher on the proverbial ladder. As for the "victim?" Well, it's easy to stand up for someone who's not in your way against someone who is. More like "convenient alignment of objectives" I'd call it.
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"Apparently, quoting me is a 'thing' now." - HonoredMule
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StJude
Postmaster
Joined: 12 Jun 2011
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Points: 568
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Posted: 08 Oct 2011 at 00:24 |
Uther wrote:
When did you begin to feel JUSTIFIED in determining levels of PUNISHMENT? You're doing the same.
This Blue cat sounds like he was an A #1 douchebag and doesn't want to be held in anyway accountable. He seems to have a bunch of sycophants that are trying their damndest to wheedle him out of having to stand up for his actions.
Why is H? being held up as the bad guy when this guy was a complete rat? |
The difference? I don't actually have the power to implement them. These guys do. I would expect the same amount of accountability if I was in the position myself.
If this "Blue" cat is an A1 dbag for coming to the aid of his friends, I think I'd prefer him as a friend to the sociopaths in here calling for his blood.
Best part of this whole debate? I don't know this "Blue" cat, and neither do you.
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Uther
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Posted: 07 Oct 2011 at 23:52 |
StJude wrote:
Here is where this gets crazy to me. In a GAME, there is an element of players who banded together and now feel JUSTIFIED in determining levels of PUNISHMENT. This is CRAZY.
When did this stop being a game with some fun and a simple, GG?
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When did you begin to feel JUSTIFIED in determining levels of PUNISHMENT? You're doing the same.
This Blue cat sounds like he was an A #1 douchebag and doesn't want to be held in anyway accountable. He seems to have a bunch of sycophants that are trying their damndest to wheedle him out of having to stand up for his actions.
Why is H? being held up as the bad guy when this guy was a complete rat?
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Sgt..Shanks
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Joined: 20 Nov 2010
Location: BRITAIN
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Points: 56
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Posted: 07 Oct 2011 at 23:43 |
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I hope so Damage!! ; )
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Brids17
Postmaster General
Joined: 30 Jul 2010
Location: Canada
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Posted: 07 Oct 2011 at 22:16 |
Ander wrote:
after ambushing them with 7 alliances you still fancy yourselves as brave heroes?  |
I don't recall Harmless? suddenly being in charge of any other alliance besides Harmless? They didn't ambush them, they declared war with them. What everyone else did is out of their control.
Ander wrote:
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blame him for going back to his alliance as you already proved with
your 7 on 1 war that fairplay is not something you prefer. |
That's just it, he didn't go back to his alliance. He abandoned his alliance and is now hiding in World's End.
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StJude
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Joined: 12 Jun 2011
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Points: 568
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Posted: 07 Oct 2011 at 22:08 |
nightfury wrote:
I am not off topic. what makes you think I haven't read previous posts. Point you are raising is all about the proportion of punishment and you are making a point that City is worth much more and several K's of lost troops are nothing because real money is used for building city, to show your flawed logic I gave statement that "If one can buy some troops with prestige then I am sure that many will do that..." To be clear let me tell you this, in this game creating big amount of troops is as hard as building city. take an example, human t2 cav(knight) takes 13.33 minutes, so to create 10k knights army it takes 92 days, One can build a city in 15 days(using prestige) but 10k knights...no sir...one has to wait 92 days for that. now go ahead and slaughter somebody's 10-20k knights and offer them double amount of resources needed to create knights, lets see if they accept that. On same logic if somebody razes your city and offers you double the resources that are needed to build that city again, that should be acceptable? 
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Not intending to offend, but it now seems clear English is not your first language. Sorry, I was not understanding what you were attempting to communicate.
Whether people COULD use prestige and WOULD use prestige to build troops is irrelevant to the argument at hand. They CANNOT currently.
With that out of the way.
I would like to see your calculations a little better laid out and how you arrived at the 92 days. I don't buy it.
Regardless, at the root of creating a knight is the city and research. The means to create the res needed to create the knight himself.
Prestige is used to overcome the time limits of upwards of 4days on some buildings when making the increase from level 19 to level 20.
The larger the city, the larger the cost.
A knight or whatever military unit used, is a STATIC cost. It costs the same amount to build each one, no matter how many you queue.
I don't care how you want to slice it, in terms of value, a CITY will always be more VALUABLE than the units and/or materials it produces.
This should be pretty simple stuff. Prestige which often translates into real game money is being imposed as a punishment.
Here is where this gets crazy to me. In a GAME, there is an element of players who banded together and now feel JUSTIFIED in determining levels of PUNISHMENT. This is CRAZY.
When did this stop being a game with some fun and a simple, GG?
Edited by StJude - 07 Oct 2011 at 22:10
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nightfury
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Joined: 23 Jun 2011
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Points: 86
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Posted: 07 Oct 2011 at 21:11 |
StJude wrote:
nightfury wrote:
StJude wrote:
Brids17 wrote:
StJude wrote:
Do you have a sense of proportion? |
And now suddenly pixels have value. How quickly your flawed argument falls apart...
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Sigh...
Let me help you get some perspective with one simple question.
Do you spend money buying prestige building your moving military pixels? |
If one can buy some troops with prestige then I am sure that many will do that...
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Nightfury, before interjecting, could I request you read the debate at hand? You seem to be discussing a different topic regarding troop purchases and prestige? |
I am not off topic. what makes you think I haven't read previous posts. Point you are raising is all about the proportion of punishment and you are making a point that City is worth much more and several K's of lost troops are nothing because real money is used for building city, to show your flawed logic I gave statement that "If one can buy some troops with prestige then I am sure that many will do that..." To be clear let me tell you this, in this game creating big amount of troops is as hard as building city. take an example, human t2 cav(knight) takes 13.33 minutes, so to create 10k knights army it takes 92 days, One can build a city in 15 days(using prestige) but 10k knights...no sir...one has to wait 92 days for that. now go ahead and slaughter somebody's 10-20k knights and offer them double amount of resources needed to create knights, lets see if they accept that. On same logic if somebody razes your city and offers you double the resources that are needed to build that city again, that should be acceptable?
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Ander
Postmaster General
Joined: 24 Apr 2011
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Points: 1269
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Posted: 07 Oct 2011 at 20:57 |
HonoredMule wrote:
I'm really tired of this "but I spent prestige building that" argument. It is woefully invalid. If you spent prestige, you did so to support the developers and/or enjoy advantages/convenience/huge chronological shortcuts while playing the game. You got and enjoyed what you paid for and are in no way entitled to some sacred protection of how you used it just because you spent real money. We all spend real time, and we all chose how we spent our time (and money). Those of us who didn't spend prestige, spent that much more time.
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^^ This I totally agree!
HonoredMule wrote:
the cowardice Harmless so violently abhors. |
it does take courage to stand by the loosing side. he was only helping his friend who was a peaceful player under attack. you cannot blame him for going back to his alliance as you already proved with your 7 on 1 war that fairplay is not something you prefer.
HonoredMule wrote:
that is what people with strength of character do.
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People with strength of character do not seek petty revenge. revenge proves its own executioner.
HonoredMule wrote:
There are reasonable limits to what constitutes a reasonable response.
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Totally! you write well. you should read your own writes more often. 
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StJude
Postmaster
Joined: 12 Jun 2011
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Posted: 07 Oct 2011 at 20:50 |
HonoredMule wrote:
I'm really tired of this "but I spent prestige building that" argument. It is woefully invalid. If you spent prestige, you did so to support the developers and/or enjoy advantages/convenience/huge chronological shortcuts while playing the game. You got and enjoyed what you paid for and are in no way entitled to some sacred protection of how you used it just because you spent real money. We all spend real time, and we all chose how we spent our time (and money). Those of us who didn't spend prestige, spent that much more time.
Everything we build in this game, we can lose. Those of us who are truly not prepared to face that loss have the option of playing an entirely peaceful game. We don't have to launch all our troops at a much larger foe and then cry wolf. Whining about the loss of investment after a failed gambit wreaks of nothing but the cowardice Harmless so violently abhors.
If you're destitute and found the tiny cost of prestige overwhelming,
it's your own damn fault for spending your money so unwisely. If you
aren't, then stop making such a big deal out of it. I spent a lot of
prestige on this game myself. I've now been on a much tighter budget for about 5
months now and can no longer (wisely) afford prestige myself. But come and raze
my cities, and I can guarantee you one thing: you won't hear me bitching
and whining about my lost prestige investment. I will simply
rebuild--that is what people with strength of character do.
So let me make this crystal clear: we don't care if you spent prestige. There are reasonable limits to what constitutes a reasonable response and though others may disagree with our assessment, we do measure our reactions carefully. Whether you spent prestige has no effect whatsoever on our decisions.
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Garbage, you are trying to justify your disproportionate response.
So quit with the straw man argument.
The argument is about WORTH and COMPENSATION. It is also about the manner in which the victor conducts themselves.
While I can't stop H? and their desire for bloodshed, between Killerpoodle's original post, Kumomoto's post and now yours, I see a LOT of hypocrisy. This is OUT of the realm of FUN and squarely in douchebag territory.
So yeah, I disagree with your assessment wholeheartedly. You are demanding more than a pound of a flesh here.
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