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KillerPoodle 
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 Posted: 13 Oct 2012 at 03:17 |
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I christen thee - Shrill. May good bless thee and all who sail in thee.
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"This is a bad idea and we shouldn't do it." - endorsement by HM
"a little name-calling is a positive thing." - Rill
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Rill
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Player Council - Geographer
Joined: 17 Jun 2011
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Posted: 13 Oct 2012 at 00:05 |
 KillerPoodle wrote:
Rill wrote:
Perhaps part of what that reflects for some people is that they believe it is acceptable to behave one way online and another way in person, or one way online and another way in real life. I am not making a judgment about people who believe that, but it is a reflection of their beliefs and values. |
Rill - you are so judgmental you don't even realize when you're doing it. Your first sentence above is as judgmental as it gets.
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I made a factual statement contending that perhaps there may be some people who have a particular perspective or belief system. How is that a judgment?
One may contend that there are not such people, and that therefore I am mistaken in my assertion, but it is false to contend that my description of their existence constitutes a judgment.
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Albatross
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Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 23:55 |
Meta-game is where you attempt, by means of non-gaming actions, to control the 'funnel-in' and 'funnel-out' causal links with your own in-game actions at the centre.
Whether players do this in-character or out-of-character is immaterial. A meta-gamer will attempt to label others, define scope of argument, clarify, confuse, intimidate, delay, pacify, court support, (etc) to achieve a better in-game position, whether that meta-gaming be before or after the in-game actions.
The beauty of this game is that the truth of events can be hidden, so it can therefore be re-written by whomever holds a willing pen and is not refuted.
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JimJams
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Joined: 20 Sep 2011
Location: Italy
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Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 23:53 |
In a game you have way more fun playing a role, or even more than one. If I had to play a game following the same rules I follow in real life, well, where is the point in playing it ??
The better game I ever played was Diplomacy, where lie and betray were fully acceptable. It is still played online after may be 20-30 years, for a reason.
edit, it is around from 1959 ;-)
Edited by JimJams - 12 Oct 2012 at 23:55
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Rill
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Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 22:15 |
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choosing to use the siege is still the game. Metagame is coming to the forum and trying to convince me that you are or aren't a bully. (Not saying you are or aren't, just describing what a metagame is.)
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Drejan
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Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 19:20 |
You say that siege is game, metagame is how we use the siege right? So if i use siege on another player this reflect me right? What should it reflect about me except the will to play that role? True i might be a bully but i might not as well.
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Rill
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Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 19:10 |
I'm not sure what part of it is offensive. It's offensive to suggest that there are people who think it's acceptable to behave differently online than they do in real life? And when did I say anything about competition?
I am talking about the metagame, which lately has seemed to focus mainly on how far people can twist the truth in service to their own agenda.
How you play the metagame reflects who you are, including if you feel that how you play the metagame should not be associated in any way with who you are -- that very belief is a reflection in part of who a person is. I'm not saying it's a "right" belief or a "wrong" belief. I'm saying it's a belief.
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KillerPoodle
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Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 19:08 |
Rill wrote:
Perhaps part of what that reflects for some people is that they believe it is acceptable to behave one way online and another way in person, or one way online and another way in real life. I am not making a judgment about people who believe that, but it is a reflection of their beliefs and values. |
Rill - you are so judgmental you don't even realize when you're doing it. Your first sentence above is as judgmental as it gets.
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"This is a bad idea and we shouldn't do it." - endorsement by HM
"a little name-calling is a positive thing." - Rill
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Drejan
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Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 19:06 |
Rill wrote:
Perhaps part of what that reflects for some people is that they believe it is acceptable to behave one way online and another way in person, or one way online and another way in real life. I am not making a judgment about people who believe that, but it is a reflection of their beliefs and values. |
This is near offencive. Are we working together online? Are we doing any action related to your life except a game? Almost every game in the world has some kind of competition Rill. This is not about online vs real life. This is about a game vs real life.
Edited by Drejan - 12 Oct 2012 at 19:14
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Rill
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Player Council - Geographer
Joined: 17 Jun 2011
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Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 18:58 |
Ander wrote:
Drejan wrote:
I agree no players should not be kicked out of Illyriad, this does not mean that you should not harm anyone, loosing troops or loosing a few cities is part of the game. |
Loosing a few cities that they built over months and years, in a war which they had no role in, that would drive people out of the game. Wont you agree?
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This thread is about how people behave in the metagame rather than in game. Lots of places to discuss how people interact with game mechanics.
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