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Janosch
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Topic: Foundation of democratic alliance Posted: 16 Nov 2011 at 18:07 |
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The name has been chosen by the majority of members. It has been chosen, because everybody will know what this alliance is about and we are in a fantasy setting of this game.
Edited by Janosch - 16 Nov 2011 at 18:07
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Kilotov of DokGthung
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Posted: 14 Nov 2011 at 10:55 |
i liked southern league better what kind of SW centric name is "old republic" anyway? mhe... still, good luck
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Janosch
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Posted: 14 Nov 2011 at 10:19 |
Three announcements: 1. We have
renamed our alliance to “the Old Republic” [Rep]!
2. You do not need to be located in the
south/alliance focus is moved to all of Illyriad, in order to attract
more members.
3. We are currently voting on the
founding document of our alliance in our new forum (that has included
polls).
This Republic is not only interesting
for small players (that have the benefit of being included and
informed on all decisions), but also for larger, more active and
experienced players (since 1. we have the Senate, that is
particularly attractive for larger players and 2. it offers an
excellent perspective to exchange
information/thoughts/strategies/foreign affairs and all other
important issues of Illyriad, in an active and friendly community).
We are urgently looking for active players, that have at the moment
excellent opportunities to be elected in high offices.
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Janosch
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Posted: 22 Oct 2011 at 14:04 |
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@kurfist: I do not understand this question.
Maybe the illy community should create something like the UN (based on different alliances and not players)? NATO is an alliance. The Southern League would be something like the Nato. In NATO the general secretary is also elected somehow...
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Kilotov of DokGthung
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Posted: 22 Oct 2011 at 04:16 |
Kurfist wrote:
i dont understand.. would this be effectively another form of government outside NATO Illy?
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impossible! the minister of foreign affairs of the southern league will be welcome in the NATO of illy
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Kurfist
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Posted: 22 Oct 2011 at 03:29 |
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i dont understand.. would this be effectively another form of government outside NATO Illy?
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Patience is a virtue, resource giving is a sin
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Janosch
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Posted: 22 Oct 2011 at 02:06 |
Thanks for your wishes and critique.
Each of this 100 people represent
thousands of people (okay not now but maybe one day). It is
therefore quite a large organisation!
We clearly need to be able to act
fast. All Members of the High Council will be part of the government
and will be able to act in crisis. The Consuls rule.
The central conflict in the
'democracy' is that, if small players are elected in the government
they can not act (in some cases) without the large players.
Therefore we have the Senate. They need to coordinate in some cases
and in a war centralised decisions are important.
However, Illy is not a war game!
And if there is a war we have the Minister of War who will
coordinate and command.
I founded this alliance to be able
to participate in the decisions of my alliance. Therefore I wanted a
representative AND participatory system because I want everyone to
be able to participate.
Also the political conflicts and
election going on in the alliance will be an amusement in itself.
Therefore we need a slightly more complicated system to give the
institutional base for some conflicts and elections.
Players in this alliance will have
the possibility to learn more quickly about the world of Illy. That
is because they have the possibility to use this knowledge and they
are informed about the decisions of the High Council. The game will
be more interesting for small players and the large, active and
experienced players will have a lot of weight anyway. Also
experienced players will explain their reasons and convince the
others.
To tell me a democracy is a
discriminating process and argue for a authoritarian/royal style of
government is properly a joke?
Finally, we will not vote on every
decision in the General Assembly. It should rather work the other
way around. If there is an interest among the majority of players
there can be a poll in the General Assembly.
I think it will work! Everyone is
welcome! Also large players! We now have not elected the government.
Therefore you can still join in high positions (if you get
elected...).
Have fun!
Janosch
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Gilthoniel
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Joined: 11 Oct 2011
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Posted: 20 Oct 2011 at 14:49 |
Good luck with your new alliance. I
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Albatross
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Posted: 20 Oct 2011 at 13:05 |
I'm not bashing your alliance, and certainly don't intend to troll; the points below sprang to mind when I looked at your post. Indeed I would be interested to see how this works as an experiment in 'democratisation':
- One of The Roman Empire's most vital failings was the over-stretching of supply lines, and the ineffectiveness of distant governance. Thankfully, news in Illy is instant, so I think you might fare slightly better in this respect, with your wide geographic scope.
- The alliance structure seems over-complicated, and seems better suited to representing thousands of people rather than a hundred. Committees can slow you down in a crisis, likewise so can referenda, which incorrectly assume that everyone polled is fully informed. People are elected to representative positions, so that one person (or few people, on the case of your Consuls/High Council) can make live decisions on their behalf. This is a two-edged sword.
- Elections only make sense when there's a genuine choice to be had (and the vacancies have not already been filled by a nod from the organisers). It is also a discriminating process that will result in rejection.
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Createure
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Posted: 20 Oct 2011 at 12:46 |
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Seems overly complicated to me tbh - you're trying to organise perhaps upto 100 people here - not an entire nation.
Still - I'll wish you luck anyhow and watch your progress with interest.
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