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Points: 76 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Jun 2010 at 04:49
Eoga, I'd have to say this: You bit more than you could chew. Regardless of your intention to 'protect the resource cache you're harvesting with your caravans', stationing an army on a tile is a military action, which is further made clear by the resulting losses of incoming caravans.

This is the general consensus among players, not because it is forcefully established by big alliances, but because it does make sense. To me this is nearly similar to unlimited submarine operation conducted by Kriegsmarine in WW2, resulting in the sinking of American merchant ships. I'm sure you remember how the U.S. responded.

Now, feel free to stand on your own opinions, but be ready for the consequences when you breach the norms. No one would offer military protection to you. What would they gain from it? Gold? Only other big alliances would be able to help you and they've hoarded more gold coins than you could imagine.

Peaceful resolution is the only way out. And that starts when you start realising it's you who started all these.

Good luck.
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Points: 9 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Jun 2010 at 08:26
Originally posted by Aelfric Aelfric wrote:

Peaceful resolution is the only way out. And that starts when you start realising it's you who started all these.


I think i started with the line that it was all my fault. It is in my first post somewhere though. However there is no peaceful way out. GOON made it clear to me that they can't control their members. I understand that protecting my caravans is selfish, however is it really worth all this?

an attack, fine, I am always up for a good fight, however it stops being a good when you are on the ground beaten to a pulp ans still people get back into the line for yet an other turn to kick you.

Peace is not an option, Getting out of this myself is not within my power.

Help is my only option, however I was not looking for greed, i have gold if they want, but I was hoping for someone who wanted to do this just because they wanted to fight or help someone who got in over his head.

on a more positive not e though, their number of attacks have decreased for 15-20 a day to about 10. still not much time for me to do anything, especially since there is someone less than an hour away and I can't be 24/7 vigilant to pull back my troops so I can get a chance to rebuild a fighting force.


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While you admitted it was your fault, you still tried to defend the reasoning behind your action. This, to me, a third party, gave the impression that your admittance to mistake was not genuine. I believe those involved would have perceived it similarly.

If I were you, I would have stayed quite and let the attackers get bored doing what they're doing. Attacking 'an over-harvested farm' wouldn't yield much and eventually they'll stop wasting their time attacking you because they get nothing out of it.

And remember, it's just a game. Don't take it too seriously. Smile


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Originally posted by Aelfric Aelfric wrote:

And remember, it's just a game. Don't take it too seriously. Smile
Ummm isn't comparing this to World War II a little too serious? Confused

Edited by Duke Felirae - 20 Jun 2010 at 10:55
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Originally posted by Duke Felirae Duke Felirae wrote:

Originally posted by Aelfric Aelfric wrote:

And remember, it's just a game. Don't take it too seriously.
Ummm isn't comparing this to World War II a little too serious? Confused


That was an analogy. I have great interest in WW2, so I couldn't resist trying to relate many things to it. Tongue
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Originally posted by Aelfric Aelfric wrote:

Originally posted by Duke Felirae Duke Felirae wrote:

Originally posted by Aelfric Aelfric wrote:

And remember, it's just a game. Don't take it too seriously. Smile
Ummm isn't comparing this to World War II a little too serious? Confused


That was an analogy. I have great interest in WW2, so I couldn't resist trying to relate many things to it. Tongue
It's a bit dark to bring up so casually.

Edited by Duke Felirae - 20 Jun 2010 at 10:57
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Aelfric's analysis of the human behavior portion of this conflict is correct. Eoga's statement "GOON made it clear to me that they can't control their members" is patently false, and shows his complete misread of the situation. One of our members stated that HE had no control over the attacks. Eoga's failure to look at the roster and realize who is in charge leads to some very off-base ideas on his part.

But, basically, his attitude is that he should be able to maximize his benefits at the expense of everyone else who plays the game. He pays very little heed to other parties and their points of view, unless forced to do so. In fact, in this instance, he has never stated that his caravan-killing is even up for debate, despite all of the negative consequences that have flowed from that. He just wants us to leave him alone so he can continue to do what he was doing all along.
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May I ask, how can you live with your ideas of gathering resources? without an escort those caravans get bumped every few minutes. it kind of makes gathering useless since in a few minutes you can barley get anything useful from a place like that.

I might be selfish, however to be honest I can't believe I am the only doing it.
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Originally posted by Eoga Eoga wrote:

However there is no peaceful way out. GOON made it clear to me that they can't control their members. I understand that protecting my caravans is selfish, however is it really worth all this?
 
Hello all. I am the leader of Goonies. Eoga makes assumptions on people without even looking. The Goonies WILL respond to me if I ask them to stand down. And our confederation partners that are in on the attacks would stand-down if I requested them to do so. The issue is, I have no reason to order the stand-down.
 
Eoga has made it clear that if we back down, he will rise and crush us. Just as he did before.
Eoga is leaving out some important info...let me sum it up.
1) He was spying on our towns
2) We asked him to cease (in fact, our confederation partners asked him to cease). We even offered to let him join us before ANY attacks began.
3) He laughed in our face saying he could do what he wanted
4) We attacked.
5) He sent a "I surrender but you didn't beat me" message.
6) We DID back off - briefly
7) He started up attacking our caravans with the attitude he WOULD protect HIS nodes (it was a danger zone to everyone else).
8) We launched repeated attacks
9) He begs for help
10) He admits he was wrong, but will not shown any sign of being regretful. He always backs up his "apologies" with some excuse.
 
 
So, we backed off once and had him attack our caravans because of it. We know if we back off again, he will rebuild and attack. He has said so himself.
 
Our stronger armies are 20+ hours away from him.  Goonies are friends that have played before together. We protect our own, even if if means travelling across the world. We WOULD prefer peace but Eoga is one that we feel we cannot trust at this point.
 
Now, also let me point out he only griped when we started attacking his "sister" that is 1 day or so travelling from him and joined his alliance the same day he created it. We did make note that his sister has left his alliance and though we believe they are still working together, we ceased ALL attacks on her as soon as we saw the lack of association between the two. We attacked her because he created an alliance (which he said he would stand on his own) and then brought her in during war. She became an instant target. Not a very nice thing to do to a new player.
 
Our less strong members near him are still his targets, we know that. And until he learns to keep him mouth shut and not bite off more than he can chew, our armies will pound him.
 
It would have been nice to have a peaceful resolve to this. But I dont feel Eoga has it in him to truthfully commit to any type of peaceful agreement. And with the distance it takes for us to reach him, we have to continue our attacks.
 
Eoga: Its too bad you wanted it this way. We could have been good friends. Peace WAS an option. And if we can see truthful actions on your part, maybe still. But in the meantime, our armies are still coming.
 
Ok, back to the game.
 
Thanks all for listening.
 
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Maybe this thought is a little naive but posting something on an open forum asking for anyone that wants a good fight to come protect his city, only seems to allow his actions to go unanswered. 

Is it overkill the position Eoga is in?  Some may say yes.  I am not going to weigh in on that debate.  But there is a saying that goes screw me once shame on you, screw me twice shame on me.  

Plus on the messages that have been posted by Eoga, he appears to be a bully not caring for the issues he may cause.  If he is to be reinforced by a bigger group, that would not only create war for the alliances but it seems that would only fuel his self interest.  Sitting there doing what he wants and ignoring any peaceful asking of alliances to stop.

One last point I would like to add.  I know the area that is in concern.  I would like to point out that the people who are complaining that their caravans are being destroyed are not coming from super far away for nodes.  We all expect an occasional bad timing where a caravan will be destroyed.  But with the amount of bad luck some of these people are having it seems like he is sending his army first and asking questions later. 

But well that is just my insight.
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