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Angrim
Postmaster General Joined: 02 Nov 2011 Location: Laoshin Status: Offline Points: 1212 |
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Tyrande Whisperwinds
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Sieging every single thing that was in range just because you could... or with the argument "better kill them now b4 they come for me"...
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Tamaeon
Wordsmith Joined: 19 Dec 2011 Location: Centrum Status: Offline Points: 152 |
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The expression "I disagree", implies opinion and is subjective by definition.
Moot argument, considering that subjectivity has already been established.
As a connoisseur of pre-war illyriad as well as my own personal reasons and motivations for being involved in the war, you know the above did not apply to me or my alliance. You also seem to have read over my first post in this thread, so I'll quote it below for the sake of clarity...
So you resort to conjecture and unnecessary accusations of bias, while forgetting that you lack both the knowledge and the facts to back up your words. I just want to say that I would very much appreciate it, if you would stop baiting and harassing me Angrim. You did not participate in the war, nor did you suffer any consequence as a result of its existence. By your own admission, you do not know the details of the surrender terms, so I would advise you to stop making arguments from a position of ignorance. The war is long over, and those of us who did fight are moving on. |
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"How happy is the blameless vestal's lot! The world forgetting, by the world forgot. Eternal sunshine of the spotless mind! Each prayer accepted, and each wish resigned."
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Tamaeon
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I'm sorry Tyrande, but this simply isn't true.
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"How happy is the blameless vestal's lot! The world forgetting, by the world forgot. Eternal sunshine of the spotless mind! Each prayer accepted, and each wish resigned."
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Rill
Postmaster General Player Council - Geographer Joined: 17 Jun 2011 Location: California Status: Offline Points: 7078 |
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As I recall, Tyrande, you quit nCrow because you were upset that a player from the other side diplo'd your alt while you had the alt in the alliance temporarily to facilitate a Tenaril or Exodus. You felt this was grossly unfair because that player's profile said that she was not part of the war. nCrow leadership basically took the position that since the account was in an alliance at war, it was fair game. You believed this was incredibly unfeeling and quit in a huff.
You were quite happy to thieve other players during the war, as I recall, but couldn't handle being diplo'd yourself. I don't recall you mentioning in chat or mail at the time you left any dissatisfaction with the way the war was being waged. You were also happy to rejoin nCrow for the purpose of tournament participation whilst the war was still being waged, although you did not participate in the war activities (which were by then minimal). This also argues against any crisis of conscience that led you to leave, or perhaps you did not feel as strongly as you represent. It is fine to try to reframe the moment as something more dignified and meaningful in your own mind, but when you start claiming it publicly, someone needs to speak. I will say for myself that I was troubled by the amount of destruction that occurred in the war. However, I believe that both sides are responsible for this choice. Either could have stopped the war at any time. In the case of the "winning" side this would have meant giving up some claim to being clear victors. In the case of the losing side, this meant admitting that they had in fact lost. I think the endgame of the war was driven mostly by pride and stubbornness on both sides. Perhaps there is a lesson in there somewhere for future conflicts.
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Tyrande Whisperwinds
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Not true you say? I have no interest whatsoever in any of the parties now.. why would i be lying? I know what i saw there, and i saw entire REGIONS being cleansed just because someone could flex their muscles...
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Rill
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Interesting question, Tyrande. I think that you are lying to yourself, to make your motivations seem more noble in your own mind than they actually were. That is completely understandable, and I really don't think you have any agenda beyond that.
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Tyrande Whisperwinds
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I think you're reflecting yourself Rill... i left for 3 reasons.. 1 of them was some ppl, and you know who was, clearing the entire Ursor area... dizimating it.. and i remember quite clearly asking that in AC.. "if we do that, how come we're better than they are?" You denying it with that argument is just a frustated attempt to sound like i want, or need, any reason to justify why i left the Crow domain, other than not agreeing with stuff i saw there on war times.
Edited by Tyrande Whisperwinds - 12 Jan 2015 at 21:25 |
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Tyrande Whisperwinds
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How sweet of you.. Let's see: I said i quit for 3 reasons, and 1 of them was indeed my alt being diplo'ed while only doing a exodus and having stated that was not taking part in war. That much is true, i give you that. I even recall ppl defending that alt when i was afk for 1 day. I was not angry at Ncrow for that, i was angry at the others alliances for saying they didn't attack ppl who were not taking part in war, and were doing exactly that. I did got angry of being robbed, and then a Ncrow player taking the enemy city and didn't return the goods that were inside the city. You got the nerve to accuse me of being happy to thive. That is so hypocrypctical of you. As one of the strongest diplo players in the alliance, YOU WERE THE ONES WHO ASSIGNED TARGETS FOR ME TO ROB, and assigned me missions to do so... As for joining the alliance for tournament, you were the one who mailed me, asking me to return for toruney, to which i replied, for tourney purposes alone, that i didn't want to take any part in that dirty war.. Or shall i post that msg here? I don't care if i get banned anyway, this game is pretty much dead! You didn't read what i wrote in chat multiple time, or choose to ignore it? You are indeed pro and this lying political game Rill... EDITED for the sake of grammar and clarity..
Edited by Tyrande Whisperwinds - 12 Jan 2015 at 21:57 |
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Rill
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I did offer you the opportunity to return for the tourney. I intended it as a gesture of friendship and reconciliation. I had no idea at the time that you had continuing differences with nCrow, and you did not mention them at the time you rejoined, other than that you did not want to participate in the war.
During the war, players in nCrow who had diplomatic units were encouraged to use them. However, at no time did anyone demand that a player attack a specific target either militarily or diplomatically. (Voluntary participation was certainly enthusiastically solicited.) Many players in nCrow, myself included, chose not to participate in that aspect of the war. I don't condemn you for doing so -- thieving is a game mechanic that is useful in a conflict and fun for many. However, suggesting that you were in any way coerced or ordered to do so is a misrepresentation. I do recall you saying in chat and in mail that you were uncomfortable with the level of destruction in the war. That is something that we shared, as it was something I also struggled with, although in the end I decided that advocating for restraint from within the structure of the alliance was the best way I could contribute. At the time you left you did not express that it was your reason for leaving.
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