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GM Rikoo 
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 Topic: 12NOV14 - Gold Exploit Closed
Posted: 16 Nov 2014 at 21:57 |
And with that, we have came to the end of this discussion. When some of the former players are literally threatening to take action by spamming us (and who knows what else) until they are reinstated, (I know, the irony is amazing) it's time to shut down the conversation.
If you have questions about policy from now on, IGM me. Any other topic openings or attempts to discuss this out-of-bounds will be shut down.
GM Rikoo
Edited by GM Rikoo - 16 Nov 2014 at 22:00
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Mayflower
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Posted: 16 Nov 2014 at 12:38 |
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After reading everything I think the devs have handled this well! Awesome job devs! :))))
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Dragonwort
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Posted: 13 Nov 2014 at 10:11 |
A Fantastic job well done!! AND kudos to the GM for sharing the details.....Although as Veneke wrote...the discovery and subsequent permabans could have been part of the original plot....leaving the player(s) really responsible in the clear.
But it does prove how quickly the Illy Games crew can move on something when properly motivated. (Illyriad Games Ltd. losing prestige sales)
If only the perma-sits were losing them money by the pound...
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Just another wrench in the works..
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Veneke
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Posted: 13 Nov 2014 at 02:33 |
 Bimoda wrote:
It has always struck me as unbelievable that a person could be smart enough to figure out an exploit like that AND dumb enough to over use it in a way that would be so blatant. I mean really? 99,000,000%? If they hadn't been that greedy, it is something that likely would never have gotten caught. Don't get me wrong, cheating like that to any degree is wrong, but I just can't understand the thinking.
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It's possible, I suppose, that this was intentional. That large a percentage couldn't be missed if the devs were monitoring it. So running that high gold/day exploit (it's a hack more than an exploit really, if I read the OP right) would all but guarantee a dev response. At that point, according to the information above anyway, they weren't shipping gold anywhere. So they could probably reasonably assume that their main accounts were safe. If they were caught then, then it would just be that newbie account which would be lost - no big deal.
Even if that's right though, and I've no idea if it is or not, their mistake was in running the same high percentage tax consistently (honestly, running it consistently was a bad idea too). As you said, if this had been thought through they would have lowered the percentage to avoid detection - and if they were smarter again that initial account would have been abandoned after it had tested the waters.
However, you've got to consider the fact that these lads almost certainly didn't know the gold balance. For all they knew, a hundred million extra a day wasn't a huge amount.
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Fair play though to the devs for catching these folk, and the detailed analysis is much appreciated - and reassuring.
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"May have been the losing side, still not convinced it was the wrong one." - Captain Malcolm Reynolds
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Titanicbuff
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Posted: 13 Nov 2014 at 01:48 |
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So- for those exploited whats going to happen?
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Bimoda
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Posted: 12 Nov 2014 at 22:27 |
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Was the other exploit where cities were getting captured in a matter of hours with virtually 0 pop loss done the same way? By a user sending a call to the server that basically made it think the city was ready to capture/raze?
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Bimoda - Dragon Fairy: Illyria Fairy Nation [FAIRY]
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Bimoda
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Posted: 12 Nov 2014 at 22:24 |
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It has always struck me as unbelievable that a person could be smart enough to figure out an exploit like that AND dumb enough to over use it in a way that would be so blatant. I mean really? 99,000,000%? If they hadn't been that greedy, it is something that likely would never have gotten caught. Don't get me wrong, cheating like that to any degree is wrong, but I just can't understand the thinking.
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Bimoda - Dragon Fairy: Illyria Fairy Nation [FAIRY]
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GM Stormcrow
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Posted: 12 Nov 2014 at 22:15 |
SimplyDivine wrote:
My question is: how will the Trade rankings be impacted as a result of the perma-bans of those 9 players involved? Will their rankings be allowed to stand as a result of their misdeeds?
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That's a good point, and I agree that those permabanned should have their scores zeroed.
Regards,
SC
EDIT: Done, for trade score.
Edited by GM Stormcrow - 12 Nov 2014 at 22:27
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Corwin
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Posted: 12 Nov 2014 at 20:51 |
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Wow! Glad to hear cheating doesn't pay off.
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Albatross
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Posted: 12 Nov 2014 at 17:34 |
I tend to prod the outer limits of parameters, mainly to help close up any exploits that other alliances might be using, to upset the balance of the game.
So, a note to any exploiters out there: every action in this game is logged, and the devs are good at forensics (you have to be, if you maintain a persistent game :o)
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