Why are we fighting?

I especially love the fact of cries for diplomacy on one hand, and H? moving to take out any isolated combatants with immediate sieges on the other.  Really showing your hand there eh.

Elmindra wrote: I especially love the fact of cries for diplomacy on one hand, and H? moving to take out any isolated combatants with immediate sieges on the other.  Really showing your hand there eh.

You mean like the coordinated an concentrated attacks from Dark on our members in the west.

Touch of pot and kettle there dude.

[QUOTE=ULYSSEUS]Actually Sisren I thought we had quite a bit to do with the resolution of the DARK/NC/Steel conflict. I was the leader of DARK at that time and you were the one who approached me with the information that H? was staying completely neutral in regards to the conflict.

Are you now telling us that H? was the savior of that conflict? Quite honestly, at the time, you were the one pushing for us to get involved militarily. After looking at the scenario, I eventually agreed that Steel needed help. So we acted, as you well know. My only regret concerning the Steel issue is that we showed too much restraint in dealing with NC. For that I will take the blame.

You are part of H?'s propaganda machine now, so I understand the spin cycle is in high mode, but if you seriously believe that H? resolved the DARK/NC/Steel conflict, then why do they now claim that they have no influence to do the same today? I think that is a bit strange.

DARK does not fight for revenge. I cannot vouch for the other alliances involved but I can vouch for DARK and it's leadership. We have always fought under the same basic principle of "Is it a just cause?". We feel this is a "just cause". So whatever the consequences, whatever the final outcome, The DARK Empire will fight to the very end, because to us, it is a "just cause".

I have always been the last one to advocate for war but it is upon us. I hope all fight with honor and dignity as befits a true warrior.



Edited by Sisren - 01 Nov 2013 at 04:03

Sisren, If there is any rift between us, it is one you have caused. We have always treated you fairly. I have always treated you fairly and with respect. It saddens me to see you take this road but so be it.

I never said we were the only "voice" in the conflict. I said we had quite a bit to do with it. Again if H? exerted influence to end it amicably "kudos to them". But why not then act likewise afterwards? Exert a bit of influence, not control, but a bit of big brotherly advice, so to speak, to NC?

As too our method of declaring "war" it has not changed and the process leading up to declaration is the same but you would not know that as you are no longer here to observe are you?

As to finding the IGMs and or forum posts, sure go ahead and look them up. I think you will find my position and DARKS are and have remained consistent up too and through Halcyons assuming leadership of the alliance. My observation is that they continue to this day. If your referring to a fancy posting in the forums then no we keep it a bit simpler but we still do it

As to NC being bullied by 4 of the top 10 alliances. I have to disagree, every alliance declaring against NC knew/knows the power behind them. It is this power that leads to the show of force being seen today. So lets not confuse the issue with melodrama about poor NC being ganged up on. Besides, I really think they relish the attention.

As to fighting to the "bitter end"? Yes, we will! it has always been so, this is why I was always reluctant to go to war in the first place, knowing the cost. If you did not know this then perhaps it is best you left us, old friend.

A spade is a spade, do you deny you are part of H?'s propaganda effort? Your posts would seem to contradict that position. It is not my wish to injure you, so if you desire to address it in another fashion I will gladly refer to it as such.

"prepare to feel some thunder"? Well I do not take kindly to threats, idle or otherwise. DARK does not take kindly to threats, no matter the origin. But I suppose, as food for motivation, you have just supplied some. Thanks.

As to speaking well of DARK. We never expected or asked you too. We stand on our own allowing our actions not words to define us. Nor have we ever allowed the actions or words of others to define who, and what we stand for. If we did then we would have already bowed to the dictates others have tried to impose upon us.

Take care old friend .

Tamaeon wrote: o/ Kumo! Here's my personal and honest opinion on your post... Kumomoto wrote: THIS IS AN HONEST REACH OUT FOR PARLEY. We have had a good conversation in GC and the bottom line is that most of the people in this war have an issue with NC. Sorry Kumo, many many attempts were made at parley. It starts with someone taking an issue to H?, then directors either dismissing them as lies, spin or slander. After that a discussion about non-issues follows, and finally you issue a reminder about how friendly both parties are, and close with a thinly veiled threat. This "method" of parley is evident even in this post. We even have a word for it; its called manipulation! Kumomoto wrote: Ok. Let's talk about how small alliances fight. or Medium ones. Because almost everyone agrees that this game shouldn't stifle the ability for small or medium alliances to have fun wars? I'm suggesting a parley to avoid the holocaust that is facing us. And I suggest Angrim as the mediator. (sorry for not asking you first, but you are the most neutral person I can think of that everyone respects!). No, lets NOT talk about how small alliances fight. illyriad is a strategy game, and people should be free to pursue their goals and interests without the expressed blessing of the self appointed arbiters of the Elgea. I'm frankly tired of "going to H?" to get your opinion before moving a finger. I'm tired of your PR strategies, and your practice of dismissing everything as spin when it doesn't suit your opinion. If you really wanted to have a discussion about what's better for game, you should have done so long ago. Not when your own actions and policies are finally catching up to with you! You've played the game, and you've made the wrong moves for your own selfish reasons. Now you're staring down a barrel, and you know your defeat is drawing near. There's no use in trying to control the narrative. Just accept your fate, and the inevitability of defeat. You've had a great run as the #1 alliance of the server, and now you're facing your biggest challenge yet. Will you fight like the farmer soldiers you are (lol), or continue these futile attempts at delaying the inevitable? Kumomoto wrote: If this is truly about NC and people's impression of them as bullies, then let's get this all out on the table. In H?, we've always seen NC as a small ally who is having fun playing the game, and do not understand the huge backlash, but we want to listen to everyone's comments. Can we not come to some sort of agreement where small/medium (and perhaps large) alliances can sometimes play the war aspects of this game without causing Armageddon. No we can't, and we shouldn't. Its all in the game, and you need to accept this. You tied your own fate to that of NC. By your own words, you said you would NEVER allow them to go down. You made your bet, and now you'll be "going down" with them! Kumomoto wrote: Because, make no mistakes... if we go down this path without any diplomacy, we are going to be a perpetual bloodbath for the indefinite future... And I'm not sure that most of us want that... Well be that as it may, its exactly where you have lead us... oh great H?! I'm sure you know that this war won't take very long, and even if it does... the prospect of chasing each other around the map seems rather amusing!  in closing! THIS IS AN HONEST APPEAL TO REASON. Illyriad is simply a game. Games are meant to be played, sometimes you win, and other times you lose. That is all, thank you for your time and attention!  PS: I do think the community has a role to play in making the game enjoyable and interesting for current and future players, but that's a conversation for another thread!