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Marquesta
Wordsmith Joined: 31 Jul 2011 Location: Nevada, USA Status: Offline Points: 198 |
Posted: 08 May 2012 at 22:41 | |
Ok, so another question then; how badly would it affect the outcome of the computations to put like troops into one category? Like all archers into the lowest level archer, and all the foot troops into the lowest level foot unit?
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Innoble
Wordsmith Joined: 06 Dec 2011 Status: Offline Points: 141 |
Posted: 09 May 2012 at 10:32 | |
You should be putting like troops in one category anyway. They shouldn't be in different divisions. Put all archers with the commander with the highest % bonus on archery attack
XP is divided equally amongst all participating commanders, no matter where you put the troops. There's no reason to complicate things by trying to give one commander more xp.
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Endrok
Wordsmith Joined: 12 May 2012 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 104 |
Posted: 12 May 2012 at 09:10 | |
HI,
Love this Attack Calc, really great effort by Innoble making this and sharing it Can I just ask a bit of a noob question Can somebody confirm what figures should I be entering for the my troop type "Bonus%" and the Commander "Bonus%" - I think I'm getting this bit wrong. Thanks
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Innoble
Wordsmith Joined: 06 Dec 2011 Status: Offline Points: 141 |
Posted: 12 May 2012 at 09:44 | |
Hi there Endrok,
The bonus % for the commander is his own division bonus. So if he has 10 Charge, he will have a 10% bonus. the bonus % for the troops will also be the division bonus, but it will depend on the commander they are with. If their division commander has 10 charge and they are cavalry, it will also be 10%. Typically you will have troops commanded by a commander which will give them a 15% bonus if it is a T2 commander of the right type, but this is not always the case.
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Endrok
Wordsmith Joined: 12 May 2012 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 104 |
Posted: 12 May 2012 at 09:56 | |
Hi Innoble, Thanks for that. The first time I tried I got the bonuses set wrong and although I won the battle (just) the report didn't match with what was expected, so after that I tried a couple of attacks with the bonus set at 0% - that was I was sure I sent enough troops. Now I can give it a proper go. |
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Rachel88
New Poster Joined: 21 Feb 2012 Location: South Africa Status: Offline Points: 6 |
Posted: 16 May 2012 at 12:10 | |
Innoble This is amazing i love it Thanks
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dunnoob
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Posted: 20 Jun 2012 at 06:13 | |
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Avion
Wordsmith Joined: 09 May 2012 Location: Meilla Status: Offline Points: 111 |
Posted: 20 Jun 2012 at 14:11 | |
Ooo, visible formulae! Thanks dunnoob! |
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dunnoob
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Posted: 07 Jul 2012 at 19:13 | |
Here's a list of the 14 terrain types for combats, some not yet covered in Innoble's document:
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Cleopatra
New Poster Joined: 07 Jun 2012 Status: Offline Points: 35 |
Posted: 24 Jul 2012 at 00:14 | |
I have been studying up on the attack system in the game in order to understand how it works so that I can plan out my strategy for setting up my cities and build my army, and your post has been amazingly helpful in figuring out how it all works. I do have a couple of questions about some of your information though. :)
First, would you consider this to be a correct interpretation of the way that the number of troops used in the army influences the commander's attack in the formula?
BTAF=TUAF + TCAF
TUA= UBA × UC × UB
UBA= Unit Base Attack Variable
UC= Total # of Unit Type Troops
UB= 1 + UTB/100 +UDB/100
UTB= Unit Type Terrain Bonus Variable
UDB= Unit Type Division Bonus Variable
IF (CBA ×HF) ≥ UBA × UC THEN TCAF= UBA × UC × CB UNTIL (UBA × UC) ≤ (CBA × 2) THEN TCAF = CBA × 2 × CB IF (CBA × HF) ≤ UBA × UC THEN TCAF= CBA × HF × CB
CBA= Commander Unit Base Attack Variable
HF=(1 + 6 × H)
H= Heroism Variable
CB= 1 + CTB/100 + CDB/100
CTB= Commander Terrain Bonus Variable
CDB+ Commander Division Bonus Variable
Second, when calculating the HF, would HF= (7 × H) be equivalent to HF = (1 + 6 × H), or should the actual order of operations be (1 + (6 × H))?
Third, while I understand your Basic Defense Formula perfectly, I would be very interested in learning what calculations you actually use in your expanded defense formula.
For example, what do you mean by total attack type 1/total attack? Is that simply the BTAF(UNIT TYPE 1)/BTAF(UNIT TYPE1 + UNIT TYPE 2...for the total number of troop types)?
If so, where does the CBAF figure in at?
Would this be an accurate representation of the EDF for a battle using 4 attack units and 4 defense units?
FOR CASUALTIES ((((AU1/CUA)÷(DU1×UC×UB))+((AU2/CUA)÷(DU1×UC×UB))+((AU3/CUA)÷(DU1×UC×UB))+((AU4/CUA)÷(DU1×UC×UB)))
+(((AU1/CUA)÷(DU2×UC×UB))+((AU2/CUA)÷(D21×UC×UB))+((AU3/CUA)÷(DU2×UC×UB))+((AU4/CUA)÷(DU2×UC×UB)))
+(((AU1/CUA)÷(DU3×UC×UB))+((AU2/CUA)÷(DU3×UC×UB))+((AU3/CUA)÷(DU3×UC×UB))+((AU4/CUA)÷(DU3×UC×UB)))
(((AU1/CUA)÷(DU4×UC×UB))+((AU2/CUA)÷(DU4×UC×UB))+((AU3/CUA)÷(DU4×UC×UB))+((AU4/CUA)÷(DU4×UC×UB)))
×TC)
FOR COMMANDER ((((AU1/CUA)÷(DU1×UC×UB))+((AU2/CUA)÷(DU1×UC×UB))+((AU3/CUA)÷(DU1×UC×UB))+((AU4/CUA)÷(DU1×UC×UB)))
+(((AU1/CUA)÷(DU2×UC×UB))+((AU2/CUA)÷(D21×UC×UB))+((AU3/CUA)÷(DU2×UC×UB))+((AU4/CUA)÷(DU2×UC×UB)))
+(((AU1/CUA)÷(DU3×UC×UB))+((AU2/CUA)÷(DU3×UC×UB))+((AU3/CUA)÷(DU3×UC×UB))+((AU4/CUA)÷(DU3×UC×UB)))
(((AU1/CUA)÷(DU4×UC×UB))+((AU2/CUA)÷(DU4×UC×UB))+((AU3/CUA)÷(DU4×UC×UB))+((AU4/CUA)÷(DU4×UC×UB)))
×100)
Or would it be
((((TCAF)÷(DU1×UC×UB))+((TCAF)÷(DU1×UC×UB))+((TCAF)÷(DU1×UC×UB))+((TCAF)÷(DU1×UC×UB)))
+(((TCAF)÷(DU2×UC×UB))+((TCAF)÷(D21×UC×UB))+((TCAF)÷(DU2×UC×UB))+((TCAF÷(DU2×UC×UB)))
+(((TCAF÷(DU3×UC×UB))+((TCAF)÷(DU3×UC×UB))+((TCAF)÷(DU3×UC×UB))+((TCAF)÷(DU3×UC×UB)))
(((TCAF)÷(DU4×UC×UB))+((TCAF)÷(DU4×UC×UB))+((TCAF)÷(DU4×UC×UB))+((TCAF)÷(DU4×UC×UB)))
×100)
AU1 = TUA for First Unit
AU2 = TUA for Second Unit
AU3 = TUA for Third Unit
AU4 = TUA for Fourth Unit
DU1= Unit Base Defense Variable (For corresponding Attack Unit Type)
DU2= Unit Base Defense Variable(For corresponding Attack Unit Type)
DU3= Unit Base Defense Variable(For corresponding Attack Unit Type)
DU4= Unit Base Defense Variable(For corresponding Attack Unit Type)
UC= Total # of Unit Type Troops
UC= Total # of Unit Type Troops
Total # of All Troops in Battle
Do commanders not actually inflict casualties on troops? From the basic attack formula, I was inclined to understand that they did, but I don't see anything about commander attack factoring into defense, so it seems I was incorrect. Edited by Cleopatra - 24 Jul 2012 at 00:25 |
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