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Rua
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Posted: 01 Jan 2022 at 16:58 |
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Can we expect fixes to versus animals bonus in year 2022, GM Stormcrow? |
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Just test, 60+1 Elite knights took down 356 wild dogs, 4 casualties which is better than battle calculator, saying I should lose 7 units. Fully equiped with boar spear (commander&units!).
Commander has 10 heroism and 15 charge (also other skills trained, but those don't count here)
Battle report: Your army has defeated the defenders and your occupation of this location has begun. Attackers: Unit: Quantity: Casualties: Survivors: Commander: Bigbird Knights Knight 1 Damaged for 6, 194 health remains. Troops: Knights Knights 60 4 56 Defenders: Unit: Quantity: Casualties: Survivors: Troops: Pups Pups 171 171 0 Troops: Wild Dogs Wild Dogs 126 126 0 Troops: Rabid Hounds Rabid Hounds 38 38 0 Troops: Pack Leaders Pack Leaders 21 21 0 |
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GM Stormcrow
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Absolutely not forgotten, Solanar. Many test iterations later, atm have been looking at whether it's the inclusion of elite units that gets counted out in the calc. So far in my investigation.... non-elite attacks with vs animal equipment looks like the calculations are correct (unless anyone has battle reports to the contrary?). The calc issue seems to appear when it's elite squads equipped with vs Nature weapons involved. Anyone with examples to the contrary (and maybe there are some, and I've missed them, in which case - many apologies - please draw them back to my attention in this thread!) Still looking into it! Best, SC
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I know *holidays* but BUMP. Don't let this slide to that back of your minds.
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Okay, small delay because I forget getting absolutely annihilated means you don't get a report.
Initial Scout report:
First army to land was the army "Not Equipped 2", consisting of entirely of bow units, 100 Sentinels and a level 20 (Heroism and Forced March) Elven Trueshot commander. Comprehensively crushed. Second Scout report:
This unequipped naked army killed a total of 280 enemies. Second army to land was "Equipped 2". Same troop composition, identical commander, but all 100 units and commander were equipped with Hunter's Bow (+120% vs animals) and Over-padded Leather Armour (+140% vs animals). As an elite division, this +260% vs animals becomes a +520%vs animals, meaning we would expect five times as many kills as the vanilla army (Please correct me if wrong). Third Scout report:
This equipped army killed 673 troops. This is about 2.4 times as many as the previous army and not even close to the expected 5.2 times as many kills. |
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I would like to echo GM Stormcrow here and say a massive thank you to everyone who has contributed reports and knowledge to this. I would never have thought so many people would also be interested.
I am about to attack a legion with two separate armies, one equipped and one not, to provide my own reports to the list. I'll report them back in about 20mins.
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GM Stormcrow
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This data is all *extremely* useful.
Still analysing, but I send out massive props to everyone in this thread. Except the mammoths. We have them, and we're not afraid to use them. Regards, SC
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Ok! Bring on that freek Wartow. I got crappy stats on my side
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“If anyone was to ask for my opinion, which I note they’re not, I’d say we were taking the long way around.”
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You are probably killing off troops at -16 attack and then getting the bonus only on the survivors
Edited by Salamander - 14 Dec 2020 at 03:45 |
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Was once Samalander until the forum lost my login now Salamander
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First report, commander with full heroism and full charge. In this first attack the commander had a boar spear (no armor, no mount), the troops were without equipment.
Second report, same commander but without the boar spear, same number of unit troops without equipment.
Second NPC unit is a little smaller than the first. Terrain was the same for both attacks (plains). I'm not sure the NPCs are big enough to notice a difference of a knight commander with a boar spear versus that same commander without equipment? What would be the best parameters to demonstrate what we are looking for here? The attacks were 24 minutes apart as both NPC parties were close to the city.
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