The Iron/RE vs SMA war

This post is kinda sad to read - as it shows that 1) Iron/RE apparently has no clue about their situation and "win conditions" in the war and 2) they do not seem to know about timed siege setups (which should be a core tool for war players).

Lets go a bit more into detail and look at the statements made:

Roman Emperium wrote: Do us a favor and abandon your accounts again

Asking someone to abandon is in my opinion quite sad. Illyriad is a small community and we need all the players we can get. Not bully them out and ask them to leave.

As i already mentioned in GC abandoning Thirion had 2 reasons: 

1) I thought Siggy would back down after the reason he started the conflict (Thirion) was out.

2) I knew i would either leave the game or fight. In both cases Thirion - another elf was usless.

Roman Emperium wrote: So if we we are doing such a bad job I'm wondering how you lost so many towns if they were so badly planned and coordinated lmao.  You`re alliance has 20 million population  and has performed horribly, you may not be a ``war alliance`` but have many troops and 2 war veterans guiding your actions so far so I don`t want to hear that excuse.

As i stated in my post above Iron/RE had a gigantic advantage in the beginning in Aindara/Westmarch and there was nothing we could do. Any player that knows a bit about Illyriad, long distance warfare and "area control" knows that. In my opinion you got even less then i expected.

You are bragging about "easy razes" where you heavily outnumbered the enemy both by account numbers and troops. Or where the enemy even did not fight at all. And even then you failed some.

In the meantime we got multiple leadership razes - even close to your home cluster. You got one - that was a good (and in my opinion only) siege achievement in the war.

You failed the King EAM siege - even though you put a city next to it and we did not prepare that move at all (mistake on our side).

Roman Emperium wrote: I would like to know all the bad timings RE has made

Thats easy to answer. Iron/RE doesn't seem to "time" their sieges at all. It is kinda sad that i have to explain to war players how a "modern siege" is setup.

Lets look at one of the most important source for war players in Illyriad: http://illywarmonger.blogspot.com/2015/10/siege-101.html

Warmonger Blog wrote: Timing is Everything It is paramount that all the armies arrive to the camp in sync and land in the correct order.

As you can see the armies should arrive "in sync" and "in the correct order". That is how most bigger sieges are setup - the armies arrive in a really short timeframe. As an example for my sieges all my defense units arrived in a window of 10 seconds and less.

Why is that done? It reduces the possibility of the enemy outplaying you. It also means you are using your troops a lot more efficient.

Most of the sieges i have seen from you would not have worked against bigger and more experienced players with some troops relatively close to the battlefield.

Examples in the Iron/RE vs SMA war:

Did SMA initially lie to the GMs about how you landed your cheat siege (which you yourself said in these very forums that SMA accomplished the siege by going under the UI) in order to buy SMA more time in the fight for Puffin, thus ending in the killing of your enemies cav which otherwise wouldn't have been spent? Or did you tell the truth and the GMs lied to RE/Iron upon the completion of their investigation? 

Because Iron's remote block happened AFTER the GMs said what you did and how you did it wasn't cheating. 

You lost millions in the last tournament?  The entire tournament combined does not exceed 2-3 million at any giving time and that`s not all SMA troops= The days of MILLIONS of tournament troops dying died when it changed from yearly to every 3 months.   A LOT of your accounts were still fully stocked with troops they DID not use at the tournament.

As far as clusters is concerned RE has always focused on westmarch, therefore bragging you razed about 20 isolated towns in elgea which took your alliance an entire month to do is nothing to brag about, as far as orcasm loosing towns in coanhara that was due to the majority of roman cav returning from eagles siege . You took the advantage and quickly sieged it before we can arrive ( good job on that by the way, credit where credit is due.

You say the whole war could have been avoided if Sigerius stopped, the war with RE could have been avoided if you stuck to the original agreement we made with you.   In which RE agreed to exodus all Elgean towns, in return for SMA exodusing their towns in westmarch . It was a fair deal i would say that was agreed than broken by your leadership .

RE is low on troops? I can assure you we`re not and you exodusing towns from our sieges proves that point as early as last week with Broadleaf running.

You`re upset i told you to abandon because of the low player base? Um i do recall your leadership stating they will raze RE and Iron to the ground, I'm sure that`s good for the player base right?

What should have happened is you and Siggy fought your war in a 1 v 1 instead if you running into SMA and dragging them and others into a fight they clearly were not really interested in, you`re an account with 160 cities and Sig only had 9 

Again on the timings, we razed eagles 30th city and that required weeks of extensive planning for both RE and IRON to land towns right next to eagle and for the sieges and troops to be launched BEFORE the city landed on TIME.  And than here you come with your member landing a siege on Sig AFTER eagles city landed which should not be allowed, What RE did has been done numerous times over the years , what you did was cheat to try and save a town you still lost.  And for an alliance of 20 million that`s shameful.

War should be a fun affair , you`ve made it distasteful with your cheating and your threats to raze entire accounts,  all members  of the enemy side who reached out for terms were giving generous terms.  We`re not here to force players out of the game only to clear our land claims which could have  easily been done with negotiations . But you took the chance to drag your alliance into a war over your personal issues with land claims and King Sigerius, seriously get off your high horse. 

Respectfully,

Roman Empire 

Also, you are completely arrogant. Who do you think you are to "make sure this doesn't happen again"?

You think it is your job to dictate how the game is played? 

You speak like what you say is fact. We know this not to be true. Who are you trying to convince with your constant BS?

You should try to learn from your betters. We didn't want a war with IRON when they declared on us. When IRON said they had enough, it wasn't an issue. Because war is part of the game. And no one hacked the game during our conflict. And then, out of mutual respect in how we fought each other, we became allies.

But you think that you need to make sure no one ever declares war on SMA again? Good luck with that. Your behavior makes you a target.