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Gon 
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 Posted: 04 Mar 2013 at 00:13 |
 Epidemic wrote:
I've been dealing with a player the last week or so who has settled within my 10x10 comfort zone. A high ranking member of a respectable alliance/confed has demanded $1M for my 'transgressions'. I come online today to see his demands has increased to $100M because I laughed about it in GC.
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I guess the real question to put this topic into perspective is what the phrase dealing with means in this instance. If it mean sending IGMs, then that is one thing. If it was more than that, then that is another matter. While presenting this information on the forums perhaps it would be best to provide the pertinent information on these dealings.
Hopefully this does not lead to any sieges or other unpleasantness.
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Le Roux
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Posted: 04 Mar 2013 at 00:25 |
We will make just this one comment on the matter, to set the facts straight, we do not negotiate on the forums, IGM is the proper place for that, but the posts author wants no more IGM's from us, so be it.
The issue arose when a non-aligned player placed a city 10.05 sq from Epi, he immediately demanded it removed, and followed with attacks and diplo attacks to drive his point home. Unfortunately for Epi, this non-aligned player has close ties (very) with Crow, and rather that return the attacks requested Crow leadership intercede on his behalf. We did so in a respectful manner, asking for Epi's reasons, and that if he was in the wrong to make amends (not millions just that to make up the unaligned payers losses) for the damage he had caused the player 10.05 sq from him.
Epi became indignant over such requests, and continued to demand the player move his city. The demands were not in the most diplomatic manner possible. Numerous attempts were made to explain the absurdity of making demands at 10.05 , and of the tone taken.
All to no avail . The Crow demands of larger payments only came after he went public and trashed Crow in GC, there is a price for certain actions, and we can only be pushed so far.
He now has taken it toGC and the forums to proclaim he is being "extorted" and that Crow is "butthurt", well, he has made his position clear and wants no further IGM from us. It leaves us with only one alternative.
That is the reality of the situation. We will comment no further.
Edited by Le Roux - 04 Mar 2013 at 00:30
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Hadus
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Posted: 04 Mar 2013 at 00:29 |
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It was nice to read the replies here, and realize that the community is wise and mature enough to NOT jump to the immediate aid of someone who brings a private diplomatic issue to the forums. There's clearly more here than the OP states, who is right and wrong is beyond our jurisdiction, but the initial reactions from people were reassuring.
Edited by Hadus - 04 Mar 2013 at 00:29
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Aral
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Posted: 04 Mar 2013 at 00:42 |
For those of you too lazy to go through epidemic's city list to find an unaffiliated town around ten squares away from any of his, I have provided a couple of screenshots to show the city in question: Without terrain, so you can double check the distance between the two cities:
Edited by Aral - 04 Mar 2013 at 00:44
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Diomedes
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Posted: 04 Mar 2013 at 02:46 |
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Just another case of a player using heavy-handed tactics against another player to keep more than adequate space around his town, and then crying foul when others try to bring some reason and common sense into the matter.... but then I'm part of the CrowFed, so no doubt I'll be accused of bias
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Machete
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Joined: 15 Jun 2012
Location: Koz
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Posted: 04 Mar 2013 at 03:13 |
I did look at Epi's cities and only found the one with any city within 10 squares of him.
The city above is NOT 10 sqs from him so does not violate the so called common rule of settling within 10 sqs of someone without permission.
The Illy devs have made it so you cannot Tenaril or Exodus to within 10 squares of someone not in your alliance or alliance's confederation. That is how the common rule of settling within 10 squares came about.
You CAN send a settler to any spot that will support a city. It doesn't matter how close to another city or alliance affiliation.
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Brandmeister
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Joined: 12 Oct 2012
Location: Laoshin
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Posted: 04 Mar 2013 at 03:29 |
Well, as TD pointed out in chat, some folks do claim a 21x21 square centered on their town. Theoretically I guess you could claim a triangle 100 squares on a side, or whatever other shape and distance you could imagine. The game mechanics support a 10 square radius. Generally I only consider valuable resources and good sov targets. I wouldn't care if someone asked to settle 6 squares away on empty plains. I'd care a lot more if there were five tiles between us with dolmens, ruined towers and barrows between 13-18 in value. I probably selected the city site to maximize certain boosts, and I wouldn't want to share those. That goes triple for mines and rare herb patches. But the general Illy wisdom holds--if you want it to be indisputably yours, sov it now. btw, I'd love to know if anyone has ever sov'ed the full 150 squares. I think that would be quite entertaining! 
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abstractdream
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Posted: 04 Mar 2013 at 03:31 |
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10 just is not gonna hold up any more. The reaction to this thread proves that.
EDIT: oh, and that is over 10, so not even an issue, imo.
Edited by abstractdream - 04 Mar 2013 at 03:33
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Bonfyr Verboo
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The Duke
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Posted: 04 Mar 2013 at 04:05 |
Brandmeister wrote:
Well, as TD pointed out in chat, some folks do claim a 21x21 square centered on their town. Theoretically I guess you could claim a triangle 100 squares on a side, or whatever other shape and distance you could imagine. The game mechanics support a 10 square radius.
Generally I only consider valuable resources and good sov targets. I wouldn't care if someone asked to settle 6 squares away on empty plains. I'd care a lot more if there were five tiles between us with dolmens, ruined towers and barrows between 13-18 in value. I probably selected the city site to maximize certain boosts, and I wouldn't want to share those. That goes triple for mines and rare herb patches. But the general Illy wisdom holds--if you want it to be indisputably yours, sov it now.
btw, I'd love to know if anyone has ever sov'ed the full 150 squares. I think that would be quite entertaining!
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I think most this is a redundant repeat however in reply to this above ^ Yes I know of 2 ppl who have done this but sovving all the squares did result in some negative numbers and was only tried to test the mechanic and see what kind of benefit it would give
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Angrim
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Posted: 04 Mar 2013 at 04:32 |
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does the title of the thread allude to Crow's intervention or to Epidemic's original action? seems it could be either, depending on one's point of view.
Edited by Angrim - 04 Mar 2013 at 04:34
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