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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Mar 2011 at 00:46
i do not know why you accuse crow of all this stuff, at no point was any political pressure put on crow to stop our campaign against db.  we did not have to stop, we did not have to send messengers to return our troops and not raze your cities.  we chose to be peaceful and generous and figured a tap on the wrist would help improve your attitude toward us.
also, why do you want to attack champ directly so bad with champs walls still in place.  i would think that calcr would be complaining that they can not attack your sieges directly due to the nap.  you would think db would not want to attack champ directly.
crow have had no less than 2 incidents that i had to discuss with metallicus and crowb has more than a few complaints themselves.  but i do consider that old history and i never acted upon it, however you held a grudge against cala for aiding their confederation bok that you did act upon.  as champ is now acting on a grudge against db that it has had for being attacked.
if crow wanted to continue to mess with db, we just would have kept attacking, no one came running to db's aid, no one told crow that we were being unjust or going to far, and db surely did not force crow off their land.

the way i see the whole situation is we got a resolution, we made peace and no one including cala can make attacks.  like i said in the mails i sent before.  if you break the nap, i could see why calcr would think you violated the contract and i worry dropping the naps will escalate the situation in to a attack with would turn into a mess.  a mess that i do not want to have to negotiate AGAIN after it being so difficult the first time(having to do have the negotitations through nvp33 of US and the other have with carl zeis).

my agenda is to keep naps in place so i dont have to spend all my time writing long boring diplomatic messages like i am doing now.  Crow,   i feel have been very kind, crow have not made a nap or confederation with champ.  crow is not sending defense, other crow alliances have not got involved either.  just the chapter that had a long standing confederation with champ, and i just want the same respect we gave US when they were defending db.  the fact that calcr can not attack the siege directly i feel is a great benefit that db should be thanking us for the nap with calcr and how much db troops it protects rather than trying to make a precieved situation with does not exist.
cause if it was how you say, crow would just get our own troops moving your direction again, which is not what crows wants or plans.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Mar 2011 at 03:27
Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

 
Ehem, sorry for the double posts Mods, but it can't be helped Embarrassed
 
Thank you TD - you are right in most of your comments there, maybe even to a degree the war mongering bit Big smile, but they aren't that bad really, at least not so far in my experience of them.
 
I wasn't acutally thinking too much for my opponent, but I do take your pointWink
 
As for the one voice - well, there are two actually, Norigen and Carl.  I can't really comment on the 'War Boss' titles, although I can see they might give the impression that you see.  So althought I can do little, I am hopeful that your constructive comments will help a bit as they, and others from the alliance, will see them.
 
All of my posts here are those of a peasant member of an alliance (gravedigger is actually the tital) which is me.  I am just posting really to see that the truth is put forward and I would also wish to see a bit of fair play in this current situation.  Points were raised, some of which were inaccurate, so I felt the need show the other side of the truth - as I mentioned in an earlier post, I always try to look a things from both sides.  The reverse of that being that if I saw our DB diplomat stating an inaccuracy, I would also point that out too - ah well, nobody is perfect! Big smile
 
 
 
 
Baldrick, you are a 3rd voice for DB.  You can not pretend that you do not speak for your alliance here.  You do.  It appears you have done a poor service for your alliance as evidenced by 3f3's comments.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Mar 2011 at 04:12
uhm snuggles?hugs? shake hands?
The battlefield is a scene of constant chaos. The winner will be the one who controls that chaos, both his own and the enemies.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Mar 2011 at 08:03
The only reason Champ offered to save me was because I sent res to a few members who lived around me at the time (back then I was not in DB or any alliance for that matter).  They were quite serious about razing all of DB, though.

Also- for the longest time after the battle with TMM, our top brass were missing- our founder, a couple war bosses, and our diplomatic advisor, who is in fact still MIA (no one knows what's happened to him), in addition to a couple of members becoming inactive.  That has really hampered any of our attempts at politics, and even general communication within the alliance to the point where I don't actually know why Champ's even attacked us (which started right after we were done with Cala as far as I know, and I'm sure they attacked first).

For those who were wondering why we're asking for help, I view it as more of a "You're free to join us for tea and crumpets, we'll have us a bully time".  That said, I'm still only a gravedigger, so I don't hold much influence, nor do I pretend to become a spokesman for DB.

Another note on the war effort itself, I don't know who's running the show over at Champ, it's been absolutely a pitiful performance.  In one siege, which we did recall to consolidate our forces, they attacked 13 times, and failed all of them.  To me, this shows a lack of coordination or effort; had they attacked as one, they may have stood a chance.  Apparently, this is "all part of the plan", like they wrote in that letter they sent me (I can paste it here, if anyone was interested).  "Flawlessly executed" my ass.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Mar 2011 at 09:15
Enough chit chat and on with the battle.The sooner you start, the sooner this post will be finished.Good luck to both sides and remember, war is not just the battle on the field, it goes on behind closed doors also.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Mar 2011 at 15:00
It appears that DB is leaderless and in disarray.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Mar 2011 at 16:13
Originally posted by The_Dude The_Dude wrote:

It appears that DB is leaderless and in disarray.


I'm surprised people haven't just left the alliance. If the majority of my alliances leadership had gone inactive, I'd just move on.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Mar 2011 at 16:50
Yeah, The only officer I recongize as being active lately is Carl Ziess.  None of the 3 DB members that have talked in this thread are officers and all have confessed to having limited knowledge of the plight of Dark Blight.
 
I am speculating that the vocal DB members are trying to salvage DB.  But with no officer taking the lead, this is not possible.  Also, DB will need someone with full control over Alliance functions - Treasury, member roles, etc.  DB should focus on these internal issues first and foremost.  If these can not be fixed in a day or 2, the active members of DB should consider looking for a new alliance to join.
 
Hopefully, CHAMP will not chase former DB members once they exit DB and join a new alliance.  This usually depends on how much of this is a personal grudge, though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Mar 2011 at 22:14
Fpr those about to read my post,forgive me,for I do not have the eloquence my brothers Nok and Baldrick have. I am a Gravedigger,therefore I dig graves. A good job for a retired Captain of Gondor. I am here to clarify certain points of this story in a way a simple person can only do.

1st point: We DID NOT started this.We like war,we like blood,but everyone needs peace,so stop thinking DB is all about war and blood.That idea is wrong.

2nd point: We were insulted.This is a fight for honor.If I compared all of you, critics of DB's actions, with a female genitalia what would you do? Siege me,most likely,make my incoming diplos light up like a Christmas tree and torture me before my slow death. So,please, do not criticize that which you dont know.

3rd point: DB is organized.DB isnt a bunch of Vikings that got together.DB is,first of all, an alliance of friends that enjoy a good laugh and a good fight. Dont say we arent organized,because we are. Everyday I talk to Cerb,one of our officers. Everyday I talk to Uun,our leader. Everyday I talk to Carl. In last resource,we,the most common of DB, can be thought of like leaders,such as my brother Nok who brought our cause before all of you,or my brother Baldrick,who defended our cause before you.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Mar 2011 at 00:44
If DB isnt all about war and blood why does it imply and say that in DB's forums and alliance summary?
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