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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Mar 2011 at 18:03
Originally posted by Gemley Gemley wrote:

My question is, with DB with almost 3x as much pop. as CHAMP and that means they can support a heck of a lot more troops, why is this war not over yet?
 
If you read my post Gemley you would see that the answer is fairly simple - we are not just talking about Champs Wink
 
You are quite right, if it was just Champs then this would have been dealt with fairly quickly and this thread would never have been made.  Even with LWO involved too, we would be able to deal with the matter - it would take longer of course, but we would get there.  In a fair and open fight, it is not a problem, even potentially against two alliances.
 
Alas, this is not a fair and open fight - there is at least a third alliance involved and it is this which has stalled the proceedings.  To complicate matters further, the third alliance has not declared against us and we will not break an agreement already made.  So it is rather like trying to fight someone with your hands tied behind your back.
 
I am not against people declaring war on us, even if they don't bother to tell us first.  I'm not over eager for it of course, I like my cities as much as anyone else like theirs Smile  But as I have already said, Illyriad is also a war game, so those are the risks you take. 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Mar 2011 at 18:13
This problem could be solved easily if all parties would agree to a tournament.  The terms would be decided beforehand.
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You always bring smiles to situations, don't you Feral?LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Mar 2011 at 19:52
Isnt Champ just getting support from their confederations? Seems completely fair to me. Why doesnt DB just call in some of their own confederations instead of asking for ANY alliance to support them?

Kinda hard to cry for help after causing so much turmoil in the past.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Mar 2011 at 20:36
My question is why doesn't champ stand up for itself here in the forums?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Mar 2011 at 21:11
Originally posted by Kumomoto Kumomoto wrote:

My question is why doesn't champ stand up for itself here in the forums?


They might not even know about this. In my past experience they aren't very public.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Mar 2011 at 21:27
WAR!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Mar 2011 at 21:38

Originally posted by Ector the Fury Ector the Fury wrote:

Isnt Champ just getting support from their confederations? Seems completely fair to me. Why doesnt DB just call in some of their own confederations instead of asking for ANY alliance to support them?

Kinda hard to cry for help after causing so much turmoil in the past.

 

Hello Ector, it is good to see you here.  I am sorry that I didn't get your reply to my mail in-game, but that is the postal service for you Confused

 

The first point you raise is very logical and valid - we have done so now that we are aware of a war going on that we knew nothing about.  However, as I have explained at length in previous posts, the issue is not quite as simple as that.

 

I did point out to you that the onset of the Champs attacks, just days after the declaration of peace with Calcr who just happened to be in a confederation with them, was more than just coincidental.  The advent of LWO joining a short time later also confirmed that suspicion. 

 

From where I sit, and DB member or not, I always try to look at things from all sides - there is a deliberate attempt to goad an escalation of this conflict to involve all of Crow.  In essence, you are being used - I would hope, as I said to you, unknowingly, but you are being used.

 

If you put the sequence together, you will see I hope, why I have reached this conclusion.  DB was in a war with Cala - half way through this when it was clear they were losing, they decided to accept a merge into Crows which they had apparently been discussing for some time.  Crows then became involved and commenced mediation backed by attacks, this lead to a NAP being agreed (we enjoy the challenge of a good fight, but we aren't crazy enough to take on the combined Crow alliances).  Before 'the ink was dry' on the NAP agreement, attacks commenced from Champs with no warning on DB members, Champs being in a confederation with Cala, latterly Calcr.  DB responded only to find Calcr supporting Champs, namely Tinuviel  -  who, let's be honest, is Calcr..

 

A few days later, LWO also launch attacks - who also just happen to be in confederation with Calcr and have been long since prior to the merge.

 

So, from that, the only conclusion that I can reach is that Calcr are continuing the war from behind the screen of Crow. 

 

I would like to ask you the same question I posed earlier in my posts - If you were a smaller alliance, less than half the size of your intended target alliance and you knew that alliance had a reputation for aggression, would you risk your entire alliance by attacking it without reason and without knowing you had major support in your pocket?  I don't think you would unless I have made a massive mistake in judgment of you, you aren't that daft! Wink

 

Quote Kinda hard to cry for help after causing so much turmoil in the past.

 
As for that part of your post,  I have to tell you, and it seems the rest of the community in general, that it is a little inaccurate.

I know, as again I have already mentioned, that DB has a reputation for aggression.  That does not mean that it is actually deserved nor is it the instigator of those aggressions in the main.  DB did commence a war against TMM last November, however there were reasons for that which I am sure that others can explain far better than myself.  I can only repeat what I have already said here before - since my time with DB from Sep last year, any aggressive act has been initiated by another alliance, and DB quite rightly have responded.

So, personally speaking anyway, I do not believe that anything the alliance may have or have not done over 7 months ago is any justification for you claim there my friend.

As for the calling for help - well, that is down to our having our hands tied, a point I have also mentioned to you in my mail and here in this thread.  Once your word is given, you do not break it - just because this is a game does not allow you to ignore that.  I am very pleased to see that DB works to that principal and that is why I am with them.  So we cannot attack the source of support unless of course, as I did ask you in my in-game mail, the position of Crows is clarified to untie our hands?Big smile

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Mar 2011 at 21:39
the "third  alliance" if involed in actions against you just get rid of your agreements with them because if they are siding with CHAMPS I dont think that that agreement is worth anything anymore unless you put in the terms "side with the enemy"
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Mar 2011 at 21:57
 "DB responded only to find Calcr supporting Champs, namely Tinuviel  -  who, let's be honest, is Calcr.. "
Baldrick, How specifically is Tinuviel supporting CHAMP?
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