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Baldrick 
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 Posted: 06 Mar 2011 at 18:03 |
 Gemley wrote:
My question is, with DB with almost 3x as much pop. as CHAMP and that means they can support a heck of a lot more troops, why is this war not over yet? |
If you read my post Gemley you would see that the answer is fairly simple - we are not just talking about Champs 
You are quite right, if it was just Champs then this would have been dealt with fairly quickly and this thread would never have been made. Even with LWO involved too, we would be able to deal with the matter - it would take longer of course, but we would get there. In a fair and open fight, it is not a problem, even potentially against two alliances.
Alas, this is not a fair and open fight - there is at least a third alliance involved and it is this which has stalled the proceedings. To complicate matters further, the third alliance has not declared against us and we will not break an agreement already made. So it is rather like trying to fight someone with your hands tied behind your back.
I am not against people declaring war on us, even if they don't bother to tell us first. I'm not over eager for it of course, I like my cities as much as anyone else like theirs  But as I have already said, Illyriad is also a war game, so those are the risks you take.
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Gemley
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Posted: 06 Mar 2011 at 17:52 |
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My question is, with DB with almost 3x as much pop. as CHAMP and that means they can support a heck of a lot more troops, why is this war not over yet?
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Nokigon
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Posted: 06 Mar 2011 at 17:26 |
We'll get razing right away, 
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The_Dude
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Posted: 06 Mar 2011 at 17:25 |
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Well, since it sounds like negotiations are at an impasse at this time, it will probably take one or more cities being razed to break the impasse.
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Nokigon
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Posted: 06 Mar 2011 at 17:18 |
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I am not completely sure, but I don't think so.
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The_Dude
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Posted: 06 Mar 2011 at 17:14 |
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Has either side lost a city yet?
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Nokigon
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Posted: 06 Mar 2011 at 16:41 |
Yes, we are. And that is because we know that at the moment they will not accept this, from earlier mails. If they offer a reasonable alternative, so peace, we will take it. And Baldrick is right- we aren't trying to exterminate them completely. But we do want to hurt Amroth badly. But again- if he says sorry, then we will negotiate.
Edited by Nokigon - 06 Mar 2011 at 16:43
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Baldrick
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Posted: 06 Mar 2011 at 16:36 |
The_Dude wrote:
Here's what it looks like to me...
Both sides are looking for allies so both parties are feeling beat up now. Instead of the 2 parties seeing the need to negotiate a peace, they are each blinded by their own egos demanding total victory. And each sees the need for external assistance to achieve their lofty goals. |
 - you really think it looks that way? I'm disappointed TD. Hmm, perhaps I should have made my first post longer to clarify things more then
I can't of course speak for Champs, and officially in truth, not even for DB really. However what I can say is that as far as I am aware (and I do talk very regularly with the DB leaders) there are no 'lofty' goals of DB. There may well be some ego's in the alliance, but they also have no baring at all in this matter. The only party 'blinded by egos', if such is the case, firmly belongs to Champs - would you attack, without any provocation, an alliance that is known to like a fight, as DB is, when you are half it's size at best? I don't think so.
The simple facts are that 2 alliances have started unprovoked attacks on DB, at least one of those alliances being supported by a third. DB is simply defending itself from those attacks and I would be extremely surprised if any other alliance on Illyriad did not do the same.
There is no plan to gain total victory over anyone - this is a game after all and I for one would not spoil someone's work of months unless they decided to start a fight first - even then I would not go for a total victory. It is one thing to shout, as many do, 'we will wipe them from the face of Illyriad'!' - quite another thing to actually do it. Better them in battle, yes, and perhaps knock down a city or two. But not a complete victory in the lines that you seem to be thinking of.
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The_Dude
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Posted: 06 Mar 2011 at 16:28 |
From Noki's opening post "We believe now that we can defeat them, but it will be much easier and enjoyable if we have assistance. And after all, why should we have all the fun?"
Noki, you are not asking for help in negotiating peace. You are asking for help in destroying CHAMP.
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Nokigon
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Posted: 06 Mar 2011 at 16:25 |
The_Dude wrote:
Here's what it looks like to me...
Both sides are looking for allies so both parties are feeling beat up now. Instead of the 2 parties seeing the need to negotiate a peace, they are each blinded by their own egos demanding total victory. And each sees the need for external assistance to achieve their lofty goals. |
My friend, I respect you incredibly. Brids also, and likewise to waylander. But I feel that you are all believing a fact that is misguided. Probably my fault... We have mailed CHAMP. We have seen what we can do, some sort of compromise. Our idea of a compromise is, as you have mentioned, a ceasefire. CHAMPs idea is leaving one player alone and destroying the rest. I'm not actually joking, Amroth Anguireal contacted Vertigo offering just that. Vertigo leaves; everyone else dies. I hope you can now see how we stand a little more clearly.
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