Establishing New Alliances:Pointless?

Not impossible, but an alliance formed around a core of vets has a better outlook than an alliance formed with no vets.  Gold cost is immaterial.

Brandmeister wrote: Vraol, what is the purpose of an alliance? Since you haven't stated it explicitly, I have to assume you're referring to scale. In most MMOs, the first few successful alliances tend to attract subsequent new players who want the safety or power of numbers. It's a critical mass thing. Usually it happens within a week or two of a new server release. Unless something catastrophic occurs, those original big alliances will always remain large. So, if you're one of those new players who wants size, activity and existing success--and many MMO players do--then that's where you apply. I do, however, believe that there are lots of other valid reasons to start an alliance. Not all new alliances have scale as a goal; in fact, most don't, because if those players wanted scale, they'd join the existing big alliances. They might be oriented around trade, crafting, regional alliances, real-life friendships or specific aspects of the game. What you're basically implying is that we shouldn't form any new music bands. There are a few superstar bands out there now, and they've made billions of dollars. They're very popular, highly successful and universally appreciated... therefore, we probably don't need any new music in the future. If you're a Top 40 radio listener, maybe you don't. But not all bands want to be multi-platinum recording acts. And you'll never see another smash hit band if nobody ever starts a new one.

The Duke wrote: Elysian Fields(Shade) was founded September 1,  2012 and is currently in the top 5 overall alliance listings

Vraol, what is the purpose of an alliance? Since you haven't stated it explicitly, I have to assume you're referring to scale. In most MMOs, the first few successful alliances tend to attract subsequent new players who want the safety or power of numbers. It's a critical mass thing. Usually it happens within a week or two of a new server release. Unless something catastrophic occurs, those original big alliances will always remain large. So, if you're one of those new players who wants size, activity and existing success--and many MMO players do--then that's where you apply.

I do, however, believe that there are lots of other valid reasons to start an alliance. Not all new alliances have scale as a goal; in fact, most don't, because if those players wanted scale, they'd join the existing big alliances. They might be oriented around trade, crafting, regional alliances, real-life friendships or specific aspects of the game.

What you're basically implying is that we shouldn't form any new music bands. There are a few superstar bands out there now, and they've made billions of dollars. They're very popular, highly successful and universally appreciated... therefore, we probably don't need any new music in the future. If you're a Top 40 radio listener, maybe you don't. But not all bands want to be multi-platinum recording acts. And you'll never see another smash hit band if nobody ever starts a new one.

I believe that is completely untrue. A player can get up to serious military strength in 3/4 of a year. If you and a group of new players got together and got organized, you could have a hard hitting alliance in less than a year. Also, plenty of vets move around alliances for a wide variety of reasons. Not saying it's easy, but if you are motivated, there is absolutely no reason why new alliances can't grow strong today. This is doubly true for when BL comes out and everyone is starting from scratch in that continent...

Just my two cents.