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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Apr 2013 at 21:22
I don't think Consone was formed to destroy H?.  I do think it was formed to stand against H? and all others in Illy that had what Consone wanted.

The announcement of Consone appeared to me at the time as intended to intimidate.  Hence all the Consone posts about its size and expanse across Illy.

I noted increased aggression from various Consone members after its formation.  I also noted no willingness by Consone to constrain its members from hostilities.  Jasche's reply was always "This is not a Consone matter."  It was a Consone matter.  And now Consone doesn't matter.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Apr 2013 at 21:40
What hostilities are you talking about?War is over and if you wish to repeat you opinion from time to time thinking that it will somehow become truth if you say it often enough you are wrong.What agresiv behaviour was there?Harvesting incidents?Those still happen and will continue to happen with or without Consone.As for Jasche he is not here to defend him self.Maybe you mean that time when you complained about Absa to Jasche about some harvesting incident, in that case you should have tried to talk things over with alliance whose player has made some incident.Jasche was right to reply that it is not Consone matter.As for agresive behaviour what ever happened to that food dolmen your player took 2sq from WE player?Consone is now gone, and for some reason you feel that you can just say things without any proof with nobody to contradict you.While Consone is gone you slander all alliances that were part of it.We did lost the war, but please dont spread lies or half truths.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Apr 2013 at 21:55
I have nothing to hide. My name is OPK for Old Penitent Knight, read my signature.

OPK is my secondly made account. My first one was Mandarins31, an ex-leader in VIC. 

I was one of those who had the idea about making a new kind of confederacy. So i know what is the root of Consone. 

About my personal story, i left the game in last July, i think it was little after Jasche announced the creation of Consone on the forum, because i was too buisy IRL and it had to last for long. I came back on my alt, OPK when i had a bit more time, and i was astonished when i saw H? declared a war over Consone, it was in October. 

I admit that i didnt really participate in the project of Consone much more than building up the concept and giving ideas, but i can tell you how i thought about this future organisation when i was first creating it's concept with the other leaders of VIC.
Very basically, we noticed one thing: alliances all around Illyriad have confederations, but when you follow the links of the confederation of alliances, you can see it generally goes in all directions. 
Alliance A could be confed with Alliance B, alliance B confed with alliance C, and alliance C neutral with alliance A but being confed with an alliance D, which might be at war with A. 
While logically, you could think "the friends of my friends are my friends", so that alliance C should be confed with alliance A, cause C is confed with B which is confed with A. 
"The friends of my friends are my friends", friendly alliances should make groups of confederates, each alliance being confed with each other. Crows already do that, but maybe could it be interesting to see if we can have more intrication between the alliances of a ring of confederacies. Sounds very exciting!
That's the root concept of what was then called Consone.

Consone certainly lacked of some organisation, maybe some players did some mistakes... i wasnt there between July and October, but i know my mates, and i know what were my and our aims. It was having fun in a prosperous alliance and a prosperous confederacy where we would develop friendship under the banner of a ring of confederacies. No harm intended to anyone, and we uphold to compete between friends during official tourneys. It was also planned (and some have been done) to create our own tourneys for players in the ring of confederacies (we had ideas for very funny games), or even share those tourneys with external alliances, all that with attractive prices. Well that was one of the plans we had for this confederacy... you may think we are "pink flowers" it all turned around fun and friendship... i know from personnal experience that there is nothing funnier than a friendly but strong competition between friends, with fair play and respect. 

This was the root of the ring of confederacy then named Consone. An exciting project which would have certainly benefit to a lot of players in and outside it. 

I personnally had much respect and admiration for H? leaders, who did so much for this game, notely by wiping out White, creating an atmosphere of peace, guides and calculation sheets, and the still best begginers alliance, T?. Why on earth would we have wanted to compete with H? for their leading role over Illy while they were doing it so well, permitting us to have projects like Consone?
Though, I admit i wanted our alliance to be able to offer H? a fair fight during tourneys, would have been exciting to offer a real competition to H? one day.
A game is made to have fun, and that's what we wanted to work on. We thought we could bring the game to a new degree of funnability, at least for the people involved in the confederacy, but for others too.
Call me a dreamer or a fanciful person. Now i think we all were.

But it's a game, why should it be like in reality where we are all against each others following our own goals, which are the mask of our own profit? Why couldnt we be dreamers and make a game a different place than reality? Think about it. Yes again, i am a dreamer and a fanciful person, and i hope this wont change.

 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Apr 2013 at 22:25
I support your goals and aspirations, Mandarin. And hopefully they will all come true. Unfortunately, I don't believe that all the leaders of Consone shared your altruism. Regardless, now we can focus on having fun!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Apr 2013 at 23:19
Consone as a formal power-block was unnecessary to achieve the aims OPK describes.  Internal tournaments would probably require dropping NAP/Confeds unless you used the old tournament sqs where peace of camp has been disabled.  Nor was a power-block necessary for VIC to compete against H? during official tournaments.  Nor was a power-block necessary for sharing a Chatzy or forum for multi-alliance communication.

The purpose of a power-block is to exert power.  No more, no less.  Either to dissuade others from confronting the block or to use the block to exert force on others.  Unfortunately, Consone was a power-block with no leadership, as many Consone players stated many times publicly.

A train needs an engineer in the locomotive or else bad things are gonna happen to that train.  Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Apr 2013 at 23:55
It is like talking with wall, no matter what you will remain cemented in your...believes?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Apr 2013 at 00:36
I'm really happy, that this war finally is over!

TD, Consone did have a off game forum to communicate for about one month, I think...  And then we thought it was only fair to the community to openly state our close connections...  thus noone could call us a conspiracy, or something like that. LOL
I can state, that the fear of the small chance of getting picked by H? as a target after the Valar war was there in many alliances joining, but never had been the main reason. And definitly not to take over the lead anywhere. When coming together, I myself didn't even realize the huge number of pop we had combined, and obviously, we weren't prepared for war...

About the leadership thing... Consones military only was thought to snap in when attacked, thus when one alliance on itself meddles with another one on its own fault, the other leaders would offer advice, but had no means to interdict on one leader.

That WE (I think you were talking of that?) thing was bad timing (stated more than once in here), and as long as it would have been a dispute between only your two alliances, Consone would have stayed out of it. (But would have offered diplomacy!) Those sieges mingled up with the Coalition ones, and untwining that mess seems to have been impossible by neither side, thus it had been resolved at one time with the big one...  (Friends again, TD? Hug)

The actual start of the Consone/Coalition War had been another case, as here we did estimate the reaction of Rhy as totally out of range, and wanted to prevent bigger damage on any cities while still negotiating.  (And yes, attacking siege camps is a defensive act IMO.) Even that hadn't been a big deal, the emergency level had been on "any Consone player is free to send some assist to Absa towns". Other alliances might have concieved it other and thus the rest might be looked up in any history books written in future Illyriad. Wink

EDIT:  Oh, and I would like to plead both sides to please let the old discussions rest in peace, or at least talk about it more nicely. The Coalition has won, and thus they are right, aren't they? Confused



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Apr 2013 at 00:39
All arguments for and against the war, motivations, politics etc have been made and exhausted.

This tread was for the purpose of informing that EE has surrended, nothing more.

Can those who wish to chase tails or bang heads please do so in the Bitter Sea. This is not the time, nor the place.

Thank you.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Apr 2013 at 00:41
Originally posted by Llyorn Of Jaensch Llyorn Of Jaensch wrote:

All arguments for and against the war, motivations, politics etc have been made and exhausted.

This tread was for the purpose of informing that EE has surrended, nothing more.

Can those who wish to chase tails or bang heads please do so in the Bitter Sea. This is not the time, nor the place.

Thank you.

+1, Thanks Llyorn
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Apr 2013 at 01:08
topic drift did occur. ooops.  Congrats again to EE for ending the war.  Kudos.  Clap

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