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Originally posted by BrianN BrianN wrote:

"I had no plans to abandon 2 days ago. Yesterday the rules of the game i love significantly changed."
 
The rules haven't changed...the situation has.
 

This. Rules are hard-coded, they are the game mechanics, supplemented by ToS. Neither has changed. What changed is the policy of a single alliance; Tcol. I do hope my decisions, as its leader, don't start resulting in game patches designed to counter me. That would be unfair, and beyond ridiculous. 


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"I had no plans to abandon 2 days ago. Yesterday the rules of the game i love significantly changed."
 
The rules haven't changed...the situation has.
 
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Okay... let's chase down this rabbit hole a little.

What if could pay a local faction to defend you?  This would be opting-out of PvP.  Your taxes would immediately rise to 50% (75%, 100%) and the local faction takes it all (perhaps more if you and/or your alliance has a low ranking).  This would put a rainbow on your city.  

You can hunt with T1 and diplos are limited to T1 spies, scouts, and messengers?

If you want to remove your rainbow then there is a 30 day cooldown period followed by a 6 month minimum before you could put it back up.  No rapid opt-in and opt-out.  

Just a first set of thoughts.  Go!
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Originally posted by BrianN BrianN wrote:

It confounds me how easily people here (in general) abandon and come back all the time.  There's no need to abandon...if the game isn't doing it for you anymore, take a break.  If there's ANY chance you'd come back there's no reason to abandon...don't burn bridges.


In general i agree. In my case it is a bit different.

I had no plans to abandon 2 days ago. Yesterday the rules of the game i love significantly changed. And i feel like i have no choice but to do what i am doing. In my opinion what Grom did was a horrible decision and it is going to hurt the game a lot. We are still at early stages of the "conflict" and do not know how it is going to play out. A few of the (undesireable) outcomes would include me abandoning though.

For example i am not going to play a game with a P2W part where PVP players attack non-PVP players on a regular basis.

Originally posted by Lupia Lupia wrote:

Your advice was much appreciated Thirion.  Thank you for everything.

Thanks for letting me stay. ITG is an amazing alliance!


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Your advice was much appreciated Thirion.  Thank you for everything.
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It confounds me how easily people here (in general) abandon and come back all the time.  There's no need to abandon...if the game isn't doing it for you anymore, take a break.  If there's ANY chance you'd come back there's no reason to abandon...don't burn bridges.
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Originally posted by Grom Grom wrote:

I hope you don't abandon, and I hope you will give up this folly. But to correct a slight mistake in your reasoning here, the usual way of resolving conflict through PvP applied to this case wouldn't get you attacked, but random players in ITG. 


I was only a guest at ITG to fight in faction play and the tournaments with them. And help their players with advice and resources. I left with both of my accounts.
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Originally posted by Thirion Thirion wrote:

I am ready to abandon my accounts if needed. Otherwise i would not have done this. I expect to get attacked soon. As that is the usual way of resolving conflicts for PVP players - even against non-PVP players. If that is the way it should be played according to the devs then i am fine with it

I hope you don't abandon, and I hope you will give up this folly. But to correct a slight mistake in your reasoning here, the usual way of resolving conflict through PvP applied to this case wouldn't get you attacked, but random players in ITG. 
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Listen to this guy, public crying is his strength!  
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Originally posted by BrianN BrianN wrote:

So there are two possibilities
A) The devs listen to this and radically change this entire game trying to cater to a few loud voices and abandon the game they have developed for years.
or
B) They keep the game as is, causing a lot of loud complaining from a few people and maybe some departures.


In my opinion your are completely misreading the player base of Illyriad. I do not have the details, but in my experience there are (a lot) more non-PVP players than PVP players. And yes, most of them are quiet - but they are still playing and enjoying the game. And some of them do not use GC because they are scared of upsetting PVP players.

Since i started playing the game there were multiple instances were non-PVP players got attacked or declared on because they said something in GC that another PVP player did not like.

I am ready to abandon my accounts if needed. Otherwise i would not have done this. I expect to get attacked soon. As that is the usual way of resolving conflicts for PVP players - even against non-PVP players. If that is the way it should be played according to the devs then i am fine with it.


Originally posted by BrianN BrianN wrote:

 
I sincerely hope that we harm as few non pvp'ers as possible, but this game is a sandbox game, and if you want the things you want, you have every right to put together a coalition and make yourself known.

I honestly would love to fight you. But i won't. Because then you get what you want. You "win" and the problem does not really get solved in the long run. To quote myself: It is usually smarter to not engange in what the other player is good at but instead play your own strength


Edited by Thirion - 17 Jun 2021 at 22:56
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