Dark Empire Writ of Notice-War Declaration ~NC~

Brids17 wrote: ULYSSEUS wrote: We are standing because the issue was framed as one of personal likes and or dislikes against a sole player and was used as an excuse to attack that player and his alliance. Yes, I know there were several other reasons listed after the initial charge but the point remains that the first charge leveled against Gim is that "we do not like him".  Out of curiosity, how does this make your reason for jumping into things any better than theirs? To elaborate, it's not like NC pulled a name out of a hat and Gim's name was on it. Gim did something they didn't like and so they are attacking him because of it. Now you're saying you don't like what NC is doing and are attacking them. How is this any different?  To be clear, I can't think of a single better reason to attack someone than you don't like them and their actions. Anyone involved in this conflict, besides *maybe* STEEL, is attacking someone because they don't like their actions. So they are the only people that I could maybe see making that argument without sounding like hypocrites.

 We are not waging war against NC because we do not like them or because we dislike any particular player within NC alliance. They are waging war against steel because they do not like Gim. We do not like their actions, they do not like Gim. We war because of their actions, they war because they do not like Gim.  There are many people in the game I do not particularly care for yet I do not hunt down and destroy them simply because I do not like them. For their actions? yes, understandable, for their personality? no, not acceptable.

If we adopt that mentality then all hell's going to break loose and some people will definitely find out they are not as popular as they thought they were, much to their surprise I imagine.

So we will have to agree to disagree on this issue.

As far as hypocrisy, well, "let him who is without sin cast the first stone".[

ULYSSEUS wrote: They are waging war against steel because they do not like Gim. We do not like their actions, they do not like Gim. We war because of their actions, they war because they do not like Gim.[

Edited by bansisdead - 29 Sep 2012 at 10:17

Lets look at the original posting from the first thread found here if you want to read it in it's entirety.
http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/night-crusaders-steel-conflict_topic4155.html

This is the original posting outlining NC's reasons for attacking STEEL with massive diplo's and Gim militarily. Nowhere in that posting are any of the reasons they later included in a second post after people began to question their motivation for the attacks and declaration of war.

Mind you there has been absolutely no evidence presented that the charges leveled in the second post are true. We are supposed to take NC's word for it, or at least that's the impression I am getting reading through all this crap.

Greetings Illyrians,

We have been asked by multiple parties if we are responsible for the recent rash of diplo attacks on the Steel Confessors alliance. On behalf of Night Crusaders, I would like to cut right to the chase.

Yes, we are responsible for all of the attacks. We did this knowing that we would eventually be caught, although much to our surprise, we sent around 200 separate attacks without ever being busted. (This seems so unlikely that it is probably a flaw in the diplo game mechanics.) We got bored and finally posted a graphic of a composite screen shot of outbound attacks to GC. (The screen shot is a day or so old - these attacks have all already landed.

We would like to immediately dispel the suggestion that other alliances in the Night Confederation were also responsible, or even aware. They were not. This action was undertaken solely by Night Crusaders, without the knowledge or involvement of our confeds. (I have every single diplo report to prove it, if necessary.) Also, we have canceled all confeds, so that it will not be possible for them to reinforce us in any way, should this digress into a larger conflict.

Why did we do this, you ask? The answer is quite simple: Gim annoys us. Chances are good that he annoys you too.

He's a nice enough guy on the surface, but he is a relentless meddler, always inserting himself into other people's business to play some angle while pretending to be neutral. The constant maneuvering and the endless posturing is just tedious. He is talk talk talk with nothing to back it up. It doesn't matter if he has 3 STEEL alliances with 100 members and a dozen confeds... he's a blowhard who lacks the resolve to actually DO anything but talk behind peoples backs about things that don't concern him. And we decided to expose that by waging these attacks - and bearing the consequences - alone, and without the help of our confeds.

Also, we simply want to have fun. There is a chorus of players in this game who are frustrated, and we are among them. Things are so political that it is nauseating. This is a war game with troops and diplos - they are meant to be USED, not to be amassed so you can feel big when you run your mouth. Many players try so hard to conflate some minor issue into grounds for war, when in the end, some people just want to fight. (In a war game! Go figure.) We're not going to lie about it. We wanted to mess with Gim and his alliance, so we just did it.

Regards,
The Electrocutioner
(on behalf of Night Crusaders)

Now I do not hold it against NC for wanting to use their troops and have fun. Hell, I have always enjoyed a good fight myself! Nope, I do not fault them for enjoying that aspect of the game.

I do fault them though for the above reasoning contained in their posting as to the reason for essentially persecuting and smearing a relatively small (compared to their size) player.

I also fault them for attacking an alliance that really had no idea what was going on between Gim and Bradly.

It also inconveniences us here in DARK. We trade with STEEL for things of use to us. So while not formally confederated we are friendly and trade with each other. We have a vested interest in supporting their cause when we feel it is right to do so.

In this matter we feel it is right to do so.

Now as of today DARK has sent troops towards NC and they have returned the gesture. It is not what I wished but "what will be, will be". We do not always get what we wish for.

 

Gotta say, I disagree. They absolutely went into detail about how/why Gim annoyed them, but they did not, at any point, amend or alter the stated reasons for the declaration of war ("...these are the reasons Gim richly deserves it..." (the how/why behind our annoyance) specifically NOT, "this is a clarification on why we're going to war"). This, based on a complete re-read of the original declaration thread.

Edited by BlindScribe - 29 Sep 2012 at 18:26

Alright I have followed this from the start. Let me share what myself and many others veiw on this is.