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Machete 
Wordsmith
Joined: 15 Jun 2012
Location: Koz
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Points: 172
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 Posted: 26 Sep 2012 at 20:47 |
Greetings, Machete was in STEEL but is now in a STEEL Confed alliance. My alt is in STEEL.
This is my opinion and not an official STEEL post. Mine and mine alone.
I would like to point out that you don't see any STEEL members in here asking for explanations, time lines, who, what, when, where, etc.
Notice Gim isn't in here doing it either. I am sure he is doing his behind the scene things that he always does.
Its a game and I think most peeps in STEEL are having fun. I am. I hope everyone involved is.
Trying to get a community agreement on anything in Illy is next to impossible (maybe the destruction of newbies is the only thing forbidden. I am sure there is at least one person in Illy that doesn't agree).
~NC~ has their reasons for attacking. You may agree or not or not fully understand. It doesn't matter. It is what it is.
~NC~ knows what their end-game is. I don't. Frankly, I don't need to know.
Do I worry that I will lose troops and resources? Yes, I already have.
Do I worry I will be attacked? Yes and I have been in communication with others via IGM and preparing.
Do I worry I will be sieged out of the game? NO. If I felt that was going to happen, I would be posting in forums asking for help!
Why did I post a reply? I felt the urge.
So everyone can now parse my words for secret meanings, ask for explanations, etc.
I won't reply.
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Darmon
Forum Warrior
Joined: 15 Aug 2012
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Points: 315
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Posted: 26 Sep 2012 at 21:14 |
Well, since Machete already said he wouldn't reply, I'll go ahead and draw conclusions instead of asking clarification questions.
If members of STEEL aren't concerned about the issue, then why is DARK escalating things? I figure there are really only two plausible reasons: 1. Gim asked them to, and STEEL members are completely out of the loop. 2. DARK is taking the opportunity to trounce someone a third of their size without the community intervening.
I feel like everything would make a lot more sense if NC and DARK were more forthcoming about their objectives. Everyone gives a little bit about how the conflict started, but absolutely nothing about how they intend to end it.
Edited by Darmon - 26 Sep 2012 at 21:17
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Sisren
Forum Warrior
Joined: 03 Feb 2012
Location: PA, USA
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Points: 446
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Posted: 26 Sep 2012 at 21:18 |
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Darmon,
The threads sole purpose is to let NC know that Dark Empire is at war with them.
Not to sway community attitude as Bradly suggested.
Not to call out some causes belli.
Nor is it about a few diplo attacks (although we do take that seriously).
It's about peace. Why is it that the attacked when asking for peace trice, is ignored?
Darks obligation is to let the other party know who will be attacking them. I can appreciate that certain other alliances are willing to wage a war without informing those they attack, but Dark follows a different path.
Edited by Sisren - 26 Sep 2012 at 21:27
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BlindScribe
Wordsmith
Joined: 12 Sep 2012
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Points: 168
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Posted: 26 Sep 2012 at 21:27 |
Sisren,
Many thanks for your assistance in this dark time.
It has been said (by members of NC) that they attacked "Because Gim annoyed them."
"Because they were bored."
Because they wanted to demonstrate (to Gim, apparently) that actions have consequences.
In coming to some decision about how (or if) to respond, each person or group has to make the call if any of the above are valid reasons for going to war, and based on that assessment, either let it stand or stand against it.
We're seeing increasing numbers of people standing up against it, so...point proved. Bravo.
Actions have consequences (tho why this was ever in doubt, or a question in anyone's mind, I am uncertain...it was not my phrase).
In any case, point proved, tho not, I gather, in precisely the way they meant for it to be proved?
Edited by BlindScribe - 26 Sep 2012 at 21:32
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Darmon
Forum Warrior
Joined: 15 Aug 2012
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Points: 315
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Posted: 26 Sep 2012 at 21:28 |
 Sisren wrote:
Darmon,
The threads sole purpose is to let NC know that Dark Empire is at war with them.
Not to sway community attitude as Bradly suggested.
Not to call out some causes belli.
Darks obligation is to let the other party know who will be attacking them. I can appreciate that certain other alliances are willing to wage a war without informing those they attack, but Dark follows a different path. |
Actually, it seems like the thread's purpose is to let the community know that DARK has let NC know that they're at war now. Otherwise, couldn't you have just sent an IGM to NC leadership instead of posting it here in the forums for all to see? (Or, I guess all of NC, since there aren't that many of them...)
Haven't DARK's military and diplomatic forces been involved to the point that NC is already aware of DARK's involvement and NC has countered by actively scouting DARK out?
Do you need to have it in here because you think NC will accuse you of a surprise attack after the dust settles?
Edited by Darmon - 26 Sep 2012 at 21:31
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Brids17
Postmaster General
Joined: 30 Jul 2010
Location: Canada
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Points: 1483
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Posted: 26 Sep 2012 at 21:29 |
Sisren wrote:
The threads sole purpose is to let NC know that Dark Empire is at war with them. |
I seriously doubt anyone is going to believe a word of that. You don't post on a public forum to tell 10 people you're going to war with them. You send the leader a private message informing them of it and assume the leader will play his part and tell the rest of his alliance.
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The_Dude
Postmaster General
Joined: 06 Apr 2010
Location: Texas
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Points: 2396
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Posted: 26 Sep 2012 at 22:21 |
Brids17 wrote:
Sisren wrote:
The threads sole purpose is to let NC know that Dark Empire is at war with them. |
I seriously doubt anyone is going to believe a word of that. You don't post on a public forum to tell 10 people you're going to war with them. You send the leader a private message informing them of it and assume the leader will play his part and tell the rest of his alliance. |
Or...and I'm just brainstorming here...You go to your Alliance Foreign Affairs and click the Declare War button.
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Darmon
Forum Warrior
Joined: 15 Aug 2012
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Points: 315
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Posted: 26 Sep 2012 at 22:26 |
The_Dude wrote:
Brids17 wrote:
Sisren wrote:
The threads sole purpose is to let NC know that Dark Empire is at war with them. |
I seriously doubt anyone is going to believe a word of that. You don't post on a public forum to tell 10 people you're going to war with them. You send the leader a private message informing them of it and assume the leader will play his part and tell the rest of his alliance. |
Or...and I'm just brainstorming here...You go to your Alliance Foreign Affairs and click the Declare War button. |
I actually appreciate the public declaration, just not all the political posturing that came with it. Also, to take offense at the public's reaction to a public statement...
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dunnoob
Postmaster
Joined: 10 Dec 2011
Location: Elijal
Status: Offline
Points: 800
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Posted: 26 Sep 2012 at 23:43 |
The_Dude wrote:
Or...and I'm just brainstorming here...You go to your Alliance Foreign Affairs and click the Declare War button. |
 Sadly that's not in my permissions.
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Princess Xanax
Greenhorn
Joined: 26 Nov 2011
Status: Offline
Points: 53
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Posted: 26 Sep 2012 at 23:48 |
Sisren wrote:
Princess Xanax wrote:
Vanerin wrote:
Sir Bradly,
Perhaps you did not read properly what Sisren wrote. You speak of "<span style=": rgb255, 248, 229; ">100% of all military attacks directed at Gimardoran's cities</span>" while Sisren said "<span style=": rgb255, 248, 229; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; line-height: normal; ">...members of Dark Empire have fallen victim to Diplomatic attacks." </span>I do not see Sisren claiming any military attacks on Dark, but I do not see you addressing the diplomatic attacks mentioned.
~Vanerin
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We sent no diplo attacks on Dark. Scouts only, which is not an attack. But, believe what you will.
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Princess Xanax,
I would like to thank you- you confirmed our suspicions that the origin was ~NC~.
My reservation in this was that it was not, as Myr told me in IGM an attack from ~NC~.
Imagine, had I believed Myr- it would have been bad. This gives me personally some relief at least...
Oh, and a scout not being an attack... Yeah, you should reconsider that. Knowledge is power. Dark has always seen it as such, ask Myr. She was with for a bit.
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Sisren, Thank you for making it obvious you have a beef with Myr that has absolutely nothing to do with this conflict. You may want to reconsider holding a grudge. Knowledge coupled with maturity is much more powerful than knowledge alone. The game itself does not identify scouting as a hostile attack. Interpreting it as such is up to the individual. Scouts & Spies are unaffacted by this rune, as their intentions are not specifically hostile.
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