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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Sep 2012 at 12:15
Lets look at the original posting from the first thread found here if you want to read it in it's entirety.
http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/night-crusaders-steel-conflict_topic4155.html

This is the original posting outlining NC's reasons for attacking STEEL with massive diplo's and Gim militarily. Nowhere in that posting are any of the reasons they later included in a second post after people began to question their motivation for the attacks and declaration of war.

Mind you there has been absolutely no evidence presented that the charges leveled in the second post are true. We are supposed to take NC's word for it, or at least that's the impression I am getting reading through all this crap.


Greetings Illyrians,

We have been asked by multiple parties if we are responsible for the recent rash of diplo attacks on the Steel Confessors alliance. On behalf of Night Crusaders, I would like to cut right to the chase.

Yes, we are responsible for all of the attacks. We did this knowing that we would eventually be caught, although much to our surprise, we sent around 200 separate attacks without ever being busted. (This seems so unlikely that it is probably a flaw in the diplo game mechanics.) We got bored and finally posted a graphic of a composite screen shot of outbound attacks to GC. (The screen shot is a day or so old - these attacks have all already landed.

We would like to immediately dispel the suggestion that other alliances in the Night Confederation were also responsible, or even aware. They were not. This action was undertaken solely by Night Crusaders, without the knowledge or involvement of our confeds. (I have every single diplo report to prove it, if necessary.) Also, we have canceled all confeds, so that it will not be possible for them to reinforce us in any way, should this digress into a larger conflict.

Why did we do this, you ask? The answer is quite simple: Gim annoys us. Chances are good that he annoys you too.

He's a nice enough guy on the surface, but he is a relentless meddler, always inserting himself into other people's business to play some angle while pretending to be neutral. The constant maneuvering and the endless posturing is just tedious. He is talk talk talk with nothing to back it up. It doesn't matter if he has 3 STEEL alliances with 100 members and a dozen confeds... he's a blowhard who lacks the resolve to actually DO anything but talk behind peoples backs about things that don't concern him. And we decided to expose that by waging these attacks - and bearing the consequences - alone, and without the help of our confeds.

Also, we simply want to have fun. There is a chorus of players in this game who are frustrated, and we are among them. Things are so political that it is nauseating. This is a war game with troops and diplos - they are meant to be USED, not to be amassed so you can feel big when you run your mouth. Many players try so hard to conflate some minor issue into grounds for war, when in the end, some people just want to fight. (In a war game! Go figure.) We're not going to lie about it. We wanted to mess with Gim and his alliance, so we just did it.

Regards,
The Electrocutioner
(on behalf of Night Crusaders)


Now I do not hold it against NC for wanting to use their troops and have fun. Hell, I have always enjoyed a good fight myself! Nope, I do not fault them for enjoying that aspect of the game.

I do fault them though for the above reasoning contained in their posting as to the reason for essentially persecuting and smearing a relatively small (compared to their size) player.

I also fault them for attacking an alliance that really had no idea what was going on between Gim and Bradly.

It also inconveniences us here in DARK. We trade with STEEL for things of use to us. So while not formally confederated we are friendly and trade with each other. We have a vested interest in supporting their cause when we feel it is right to do so.

In this matter we feel it is right to do so.

Now as of today DARK has sent troops towards NC and they have returned the gesture. It is not what I wished but "what will be, will be". We do not always get what we wish for.Stern Smile


 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Sep 2012 at 10:20
Ow.  Why would you edit it and make it pink?  Why would you do that?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Sep 2012 at 10:16
Originally posted by ULYSSEUS ULYSSEUS wrote:

They are waging war against steel because they do not like Gim. We do not like their actions, they do not like Gim. We war because of their actions, they war because they do not like Gim.[

From the NC deceleration of attacks.
"In the case of Gim, the reasons for his deserving it are plentiful. Here are a few:

 - Some time ago, he tried to get a coalition of other alliances to attack us over a territory dispute that was already resolved and did not concern him. (He failed. And of course he wanted other people to do the fighting, not himself or Steel.)

 - He contacted one of our members behind our backs to try to convince him to reveal private information and to disparage us. (This failed, and of course our member shared the transcript with us.)

 - He has tried to poach players from our alliance. (And failed, of course.)

 - He called one of our members a bigoted epithet that was way over the line and probably not acceptable to post in this forum.

 - In the Aesir/TLR conflict where ~NC~ provided the majority of the military might, Gim again inserted himself into something that was none of his business. He pretended to be neutral, when in fact he worked solely for the interests of Aesir, where his alt resided.

 - In the days before we began our diplo campaign, we learned from two separate alliances (with whom we do not have close ties) that Steel was trying to organize attacks on the Night Confederation, supposedly to repay us for our involvement in the Aesir/TLR mess. This was the last straw that caused us to decide to be proactive and attack first. (Gim, your alliance appears to be crawling with the moles of your many enemies. Information is coming to us unsolicited from all sorts of unexpected directions.)"

NC have stated they are attacking Gim as NC doesn't like his actions, you state you are attacking NC because of their actions.  I cannot see much difference in either of the reasons for declaring war.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Sep 2012 at 10:15
Originally posted by ULYSSEUS ULYSSEUS wrote:

We are not waging war against NC because we do not like them or because we dislike any particular player within NC alliance. They are waging war against steel because they do not like Gim. We do not like their actions, they do not like Gim. We war because of their actions, they war because they do not like Gim.  There are many people in the game I do not particularly care for yet I do not hunt down and destroy them simply because I do not like them. For their actions? yes, understandable, for their personality? no, not acceptable.

If we adopt that mentality then all hell's going to break loose and some people will definitely find out they are not as popular as they thought they were, much to their surprise I imagine.

So we will have to agree to disagree on this issue.

As far as hypocrisy, well, "let him who is without sin cast the first stone".[

I feel like NC has said they don't approve of some of the stuff Gim's been up to ("meddling").  I have no idea what that is in particular, since I'm fairly new and generally not privy to the vague allusions people like to throw around.  Just thought I'd point out that seems to be an actions thing not a personality thing.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Sep 2012 at 09:22
Originally posted by Brids17 Brids17 wrote:

Originally posted by ULYSSEUS ULYSSEUS wrote:

We are standing because the issue was framed as one of personal likes and or dislikes against a sole player and was used as an excuse to attack that player and his alliance. Yes, I know there were several other reasons listed after the initial charge but the point remains that the first charge leveled against Gim is that "we do not like him". 

Out of curiosity, how does this make your reason for jumping into things any better than theirs? To elaborate, it's not like NC pulled a name out of a hat and Gim's name was on it. Gim did something they didn't like and so they are attacking him because of it. Now you're saying you don't like what NC is doing and are attacking them. How is this any different? 

To be clear, I can't think of a single better reason to attack someone than you don't like them and their actions. Anyone involved in this conflict, besides *maybe* STEEL, is attacking someone because they don't like their actions. So they are the only people that I could maybe see making that argument without sounding like hypocrites. 



 We are not waging war against NC because we do not like them or because we dislike any particular player within NC alliance. They are waging war against steel because they do not like Gim. We do not like their actions, they do not like Gim. We war because of their actions, they war because they do not like Gim.  There are many people in the game I do not particularly care for yet I do not hunt down and destroy them simply because I do not like them. For their actions? yes, understandable, for their personality? no, not acceptable.

If we adopt that mentality then all hell's going to break loose and some people will definitely find out they are not as popular as they thought they were, much to their surprise I imagine.

So we will have to agree to disagree on this issue.

As far as hypocrisy, well, "let him who is without sin cast the first stone".[
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We are not waging war against NC because we do not like them or because we dislike any particular player within NC alliance. They are waging war against steel because they do not like Gim. We do not like their actions, they do not like Gim. We war because of their actions, they war because they do not like Gim.

As far as hypocrisy well "let him who is without sin cast the first stone".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Sep 2012 at 04:20
Originally posted by mufridaz mufridaz wrote:

i have a real life friend in steel who i actually talked into playing the game.  so of course i'm biased.   
 
but what i do know is most people in steel are 50k pop and below (most only have a few k pop)and people in NC are 80-250k pop even though they only have 11 members and are smaller guild than steel its kinda like kimbo slice picking a fight with a 80 yr old grandma that weighs 100 lbs.  its just not a fair fight in my opinion. 
 
 
 

 

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war is never ever ever fair. 

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I do believe they said they are targetting Gim, not the common folk in STEEL, so their pop levels dont matter much.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Sep 2012 at 03:06
i have a real life friend in steel who i actually talked into playing the game.  so of course i'm biased.   
 
but what i do know is most people in steel are 50k pop and below (most only have a few k pop)and people in NC are 80-250k pop even though they only have 11 members and are smaller guild than steel its kinda like kimbo slice picking a fight with a 80 yr old grandma that weighs 100 lbs.  its just not a fair fight in my opinion. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Sep 2012 at 05:29
Originally posted by ES2 ES2 wrote:

Originally posted by Vibs Vibs wrote:

Originally posted by ES2 ES2 wrote:

Why do people say they are only "defending"? They entered in the war, they announced who they are siding on, they are using troops and diplomats to defend their allies, yet no attacks?

Do they think by saying "wez just defending" gives them some immunity to recieveing attacks themselves?

Crows aren't biting EF. Try something new.

Right because everything I say is directed at crows.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Sep 2012 at 21:06
Originally posted by dunnoob dunnoob wrote:

Originally posted by Faenix Faenix wrote:

The current state of the war from the NC perspective.
Great, thanks, some facts help to understand the overall picture.  Some of my commanders are seriously confused, when I tell them that they will support Nightbringers they check the time needed to reinforce the town.Tongue

great post Faenix, more information and lest debating would make for a more effective declaration of intent. 

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