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Daufer 
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Joined: 14 Jun 2011 Status: Offline Points: 332 |
 Posted: 29 Sep 2012 at 22:52 |
Steel = 296 towns = 296 barracks
NC = 85 towns = 85 barracks
Assuming that STEEL has friends willing to pitch in large amounts of war materiel and gold (which they do) so that they can build unlimited troops in every town, and other friends willing to do the bulk of the killing until NC has no offensive armies left (which is also true) it's more like Kimbo walking into a crowded bar and shouting "I'll take ya all on!". Yes, individually he can probably crush anyone in the place, but it's the other fifty people beating on him at the same time that are going to win in the end.
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Daufer
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Joined: 14 Jun 2011 Status: Offline Points: 332 |
Posted: 29 Sep 2012 at 22:24 |
No, but being part of large alliances or confederations certainly helps. Kind of like saying "By the way, I will be sending my troops in large numbers to kill your siege armies directly or to reinforce targets you are attacking, but this is not a hostile act and you better not start anything with me because I have a lot of friends to back me up!" I tried to make this point in an earlier post when (EOM)Harry was thinking of jumping in, but of course Harry and Rill had a different interpretation.
It becomes increasingly obvious that there are two viable paths to success in this game: One is to be skilled and organized, to use game mechanics and environment to your advantage and to wqrk in harmony with your neighbors. The other is to cultivate personal friendships with a few ranking members of powerful alliances and then do whatever you like, trusting in them to pull your fat out of the fire when you get into trouble. I personally find the first more satisfying, but the second sure is easier.
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bansisdead
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Joined: 08 Jan 2012 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 609 |
Posted: 29 Sep 2012 at 22:02 |
but they did, and I posted it in the earlier post, it described the reasons why gim deserved it according too NC. How ever you guys try and explain it, too neutral parties it is quite obvious what it is, an explanation as to why, or a clarification as too why they do not like gim.
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Chaos Armor
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Joined: 07 Feb 2012 Status: Offline Points: 213 |
Posted: 29 Sep 2012 at 20:22 |
If you have evidence that's enough for me. I still say the fighting should stop though. A tournament only comes around every so often.
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The Duke
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Joined: 22 Jul 2011 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 464 |
Posted: 29 Sep 2012 at 20:16 |
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Well it would seem to you incorrect. I have proof in my mail and from my friends on skype
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"Our generation has had no Great Depression, no Great War. Our war is spiritual. Our depression is our lives."
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Chaos Armor
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Joined: 07 Feb 2012 Status: Offline Points: 213 |
Posted: 29 Sep 2012 at 19:49 |
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Does anyone have proof that Gim was asking every major alliance for help? Is there any proof that he asked his confederations? I've not followed or really read the thread but it seems to me that you are making assumptions.
Also, I think the fighting should stop and we all prepare for the long awaited tournament.
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The Duke
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Joined: 22 Jul 2011 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 464 |
Posted: 29 Sep 2012 at 19:40 |
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Alright I have followed this from the start. Let me share what myself and many others veiw on this is.
A) NC launches Diplos at Gim, waits for him to catch them(took a long time) B) NC announces their intent to destroy gim for a personal dislike. - This is exceptionally bad PR but NC wasnt and isnt trying to make any friends- They later listed the reasons they disliked Gim after being hit by the illy police. C) Gim sends care packages in an attempt to do 2 things- 1)Garner public support and 2)Avoid confrontation. When NC kept on with their attacks after receiving Caravans the public distaste for the war was even higher. D) War is officially declared after approx a week of hostile acts. Mana joins in the mess to help Gim. Some various Crows send aid to Gim in his defense. Dark Joins in to complete the pileup. E) Dark Claims they have a vested interest in this because Steel is a trade Partner. Now that the main facts are in here, let me bring up the faults, A)I think the silent war was a part of strategy. NC knew they would eventually get caught and were ready to suffer the consequences. NC could see very clearly Gim had over 10 confeds and many members. Idc who you are or what your pop is- 11 members Vs. 10 alliances would be hard for anyone to overcome. B) Not one time have NC tried to garner the mob, they have stuck to the facts and stated things that may seem controversial. Some players are better at speaking and being diplomatic than others. I know from personal experience leading an alliance- if one member states something (in this case that NC was going to war for their personal distaste for Gim) that isnt necessarily the alliances as a wholes opinion. C) I beleive this was an attempt to gain public favor and nothing more. Once Gim seen NC was going to go on with the attacks he knew he could gain more support by such tactics. D) The part of this i find most striking is that none of Gims confeds stepped in to say they were helping. NC withdrew all their confeds to keep them out of it but STEEL were going to major alliances asking for support. When STEEL confeds were called to help and all they heard was echoes, Mana stepped in. I think its worth mentioning that a confed with some of the Steel allies arent worth holding and some alliance leaderships should take note of that and maybe rethink having allies who use you for support but dont offer the same. E) This is the most outlandish crap Ive read so far- I trade with Sir B but you dont see me running to join in a war effort. Dark was bored and wanted a reason to use their armies. It had been 6 months since the last tourney and their troops needed to stretch their legs. Thats really all this was. The public opinion aka the mob- supported Gim. NC has no good PR people and so Dark seen an opportunity to crash some cities. The feeble attempt at "we are trade partners" is lame and is no reason to involve yourself in a conflict.
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"Our generation has had no Great Depression, no Great War. Our war is spiritual. Our depression is our lives."
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Brids17
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Joined: 30 Jul 2010 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 1483 |
Posted: 29 Sep 2012 at 18:20 |
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edit: I should really read the entire thread before posting a response to someone. >.<
Edited by Brids17 - 29 Sep 2012 at 18:26 |
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BlindScribe
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Joined: 12 Sep 2012 Status: Offline Points: 168 |
Posted: 29 Sep 2012 at 13:24 |
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Gotta say, I disagree. They absolutely went into detail about how/why Gim annoyed them, but they did not, at any point, amend or alter the stated reasons for the declaration of war ("...these are the reasons Gim richly deserves it..." (the how/why behind our annoyance) specifically NOT, "this is a clarification on why we're going to war"). This, based on a complete re-read of the original declaration thread.
Largely academic, I know...doesn't change the facts on the ground, but it is an important distinction, IMO. I say this, not to throw gas on the fire...people will think what they want to think, one way or the other, and no amount of parsing the language will change that. But as a student OF the language, that's how it shakes out. Sure, you can inject your own biases into the equation and try to argue that they actually MEANT something else (insert whatever you want here), but taking them AT THEIR WORDS...at the words they opted to write when they penned their declaration, there's no ambiguity (at all) in the meaning. I will also say this: Since their declaration thread, they've been absolutely true to their word. Their attacks have been centered ONLY on the individual they originally named, or those who have attacked them since (prior to this, many members were scouted, sabotaged, etc via their 200+ diplo attacks, but again, since openly declaring and beginning military operations, the above is true, so far as I know). However shaky you might find the logic behind the declaration itself, you have to give them props for their overall conduct within that established framework.
Edited by BlindScribe - 29 Sep 2012 at 18:26 |
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bansisdead
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Joined: 08 Jan 2012 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 609 |
Posted: 29 Sep 2012 at 12:31 |
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Usylsseus, The fact is they did elaborate on the reasons for declaring war, in the same thread, many days ago. This argument (they don't like gim, we don't like their actions) you are using is now totally invalid, and wearing a bit thin, as you are aware of these reasons (for not liking gim, regardless of their validity). As I said earlier, they gave reasons based on actions, just like you have for declaring war.
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