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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jcx Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jul 2014 at 02:37
Originally posted by realist realist wrote:



Let me repeat, the only alliances that should disband at the end of the war are the ones that lost the war. Victory is just that, the victors should never have to disband because they won.


Cheers realist! its over... Josiah disbanded NAAM..

 
Disclaimer: The above is jcx|orcboy's personal opinion and is not the opinion or policy of Harmless? [H?] or of the little green men that have been following him all day.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote realist Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jul 2014 at 02:18
I thought it was odd as well. Never thought the victors would disband an alliance in negotiations. It makes zero sense to be included in the terms.

I think some players in the Grand Alliance are so use to having to disband at the end of wars that they felt it was mandatory. lol

Let me repeat, the only alliances that should disband at the end of the war are the ones that lost the war. Victory is just that, the victors should never have to disband because they won.

But anyway kudos to at least getting Harmless to surrender. Victory in it self.

However, even in defeat harmless still trying to set rules for everyone to follow. And we all know they don't follow them.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote KillerPoodle Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Jul 2014 at 22:39
Firstly I would like to state that H? made no requests regarding NAAM at all during the negotiations - the idea to disband was theirs and the clause stating it was a surprise to us.

Secondly, NAAM only decided to declare and start attacking after NC had been under heavy attack for some time and almost all of the GA had already entered and started offensive ops, so however noble they claim their intentions to be, in reality they were just one more boot in the crowd of people piling onto NC and they really should not be surprised that we viewed them as exactly that. 

Had NAAM vs NC happened as a 1 on 1 things might have been different but as we know their alliance was public lie from the beginning.

Lastly, I find it funny that Hiei in particular would be confused about H? deciding to defend an ally given DARK's desperate attempts to escalate the Bane/NC conflict even though that war was much closer to a 1 on 1 and not a one-sided massacre attempt.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Angrim Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Jul 2014 at 17:04
as one who would have preferred to see NC issues settled without the intervention of the great powers, i offer my personal congratulations to NAAM for having done what it set out to do (albeit in an unforeseen way) and disbanded. this is, to my mind, not much different from NC's own experience. the beginnings and ends of these two alliances have something to say about the nature of the sandbox and about what properly constitutes "victory" in it.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote auel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Jul 2014 at 16:13
In accordance with clause 6 of the Harmless? surrender terms NAAM confirms that is has disbanded.Handshake

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Hiei Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Jul 2014 at 18:20
Yes, I already knew all these facts of the NC and NAAM thing, but I was very surprised myself to see H? attack, after that I thought maybe the other around them would be involved as well, such as Aesir, because they were so close and still sort of involved in the war. They never took action, so I assume maybe it was because NC and H? are close allies.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Deranzin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Jul 2014 at 13:29
Originally posted by auel auel wrote:

I have no intention of getting into an ongoing debate but I thing SimplyBeast and Myr would agree that NAAM made no undeclared attacks on NC, in fact we probably hardly laid a glove on them for the first month of the war.  
If any "undeclared" attacks took place I have no knowledge of them. 


I am not part of NC, nor have been, so I was not talking about them ... Smile



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote auel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Jul 2014 at 12:45
Deranzin we have to plead guilty to naivety, we simply did not realise BEFORE the war actually started just how close NC and H? really were, in that sense we tried to stand between the lines because we believed the hype that they were themselves truly independent.
I have no intention of getting into an ongoing debate but I thing SimplyBeast and Myr would agree that NAAM made no undeclared attacks on NC, in fact we probably hardly laid a glove on them for the first month of the war.  
If any "undeclared" attacks took place I have no knowledge of them. 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Deranzin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Jul 2014 at 12:07
Originally posted by auel auel wrote:

Non-Alligned? That was the original ideal,  it is certainly no longer true but we make no apology for that.

I do not think it ever was ... had it been so, it would have survived the war or it could have returned to being "non-aligned", if it has ever been ... NAAM was just a war tool and now that the war is done, its services are no longer required, ergo it disbands. That is all there is to it ...

By your own post, NAAM, on its very creation, was very clearly aligned against NC. I have no real dislike for the members of NAAM nor its actions and undeclared attacks, but I do feel that a more "factual" name would have served them better in the long run. LOL



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Hbz77 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Jul 2014 at 11:51
Thanks Hiei,
those long months of war let NAAM members, that for the most part come from TOR, to meet great people like you and others in GA.

TOR will be more than happy to continue his adventure in Illyriad with friend like DARK on his own, to share experience, help each others and have fun togheter.

About the non alignment matters, Josiah said well and enough, those are the fact that happened, now we are certainly aligned with our friends.
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