Crime & Punishment & Orcs (a.k.a. BSH)

Thx to GM luna, I finaly got back my login's, and now I can talk ^^

Many things have been said, but I didn' speak yet ...
The situation depicted by vermino is not quite corect, I feel Vermino initiate the struggle and the conflict ...
It's 2 years for me too, I play the game, I don't feel like an evil player, bashing others ... this game is good game play, fun, and the oportunity meet people ...

this is my version :
I decided to move all my city's after the new fishing rule went live, I selected carefully the new locations on the map ... I looked if the players around the knew locations had many sov square,
for Vermino it wasn't the case he didn't even claim all his adjacent square, so I never felt I will take away anything from him by moving 4,5 squares away, considering they was a river inbetween us, and 2 squares radius for a city is quite enough for sov ...
I occupied the square for 2 weeks, and then started claiming sov, when I was at lev4 sov, vermino started claiming 103/-709 ... Wha, that was a surprise, this was 3,5 squares away from his city ... far away, as he had still free squares to claim adjecent to his city ! why should he do that ? My guess is when he saw my claim on the square, he decided he didn't want anyneigbours ... I felt this could be a problem for future, and when time would have been ripe, I would have talked with him on that ... Anyway, I reach lev 5 sov and exodus my city, I arrive, and things get much worse ... I receive IGM from Godestroyer and vermino and the fact that I was disturbing neigbourhood ... But I was disturbing only the twisted mind of Vermino ... he intimidate me with menace, and ask me to leave ... They was enough space for both of us, I didn't find that fair at all ... during my 5 days freeze after exodus, Vermino claimed two other squares, 104/-708 adjacent to my new city 4,5 away from his and 106/-708, 5.5 squares away from his !!! these are good food squares, he wanted clearly to cut my growing possibility and put pressure on me ... These squares are to far away from him, to be useful for his city ! this was a "casus belli", I have no other word, this is what I call "an act of war", claiming adjacent squares just to make understand you are not welcome is like hitting you ... The last words of vermino, where "don't chalenge me on these squares" ... 2 weeks latter, I decided to claim them .. then he attaked my claimers .. and then the rest of the story you know about ... we decided to duel ..
But when vermino ask terms of surender, I said, move your city and give me 100 milion stuff .. he said that he could just only have 20 million gold, the poor guy had no money ... so finaly, we agreed on 50 million and his city would stay ...
then by magic, I receive the report on one of his other city, over 200k of each adv resource and 25 million gold ... when vermino said he had dificulty to have 20million, can you belive that !! I was angry, and asked him 100k of all his adv resource, and the 25 million of his city .. of course vermino did not accept ...
So, what do you think guys ?
isn't this a fair figth agreed inbetweem 2 players, from wich one is a liar !!!
can I raze his city ? must I ask aprovation from GC ?

thx for reading
tigre

lol people have no honor anymore. 

tigre wrote: But when vermino ask terms of surender, I said, move your city and give me 100 milion stuff .. he said that he could just only have 20 million gold, the poor guy had no money ... so finaly, we agreed on 50 million and his city would stay ... then by magic, I receive the report on one of his other city, over 200k of each adv resource and 25 million gold ... when vermino said he had dificulty to have 20million, can you belive that !! I was angry, and asked him 100k of all his adv resource, and the 25 million of his city .. of course vermino did not accept ...

Here's my issue with this. You both made an agreement for 50M gold. You then broke it, by sending diplos to spy on him and then later demanded more. If that were me, I'd have refused to pay a single gold to you. In fact, I'd see that as an act of war. You broke the agreement and are now trying to extort more gold and resources out of him now that you know he has more. If you wanted more in the first place, you shouldn't have agreed to take 50M.

Did he lie to pay less? Well sure but anyone would have done that. He shouldn't have to pay anything to you. You moved in too close to him and tried to steal sov locations close to his city. 4.5 and 5.5 squares *IS NOT* too far from someones city. Not my any stretch of the imagination.

tigre wrote: I occupied the square for 2 weeks, and then started claiming sov, when I was at lev4 sov, vermino started claiming 103/-709 ... Wha, that was a surprise, this was 3,5 squares away from his city ... far away, as he had still free squares to claim adjecent to his city ! why should he do that ? My guess is when he saw my claim on the square, he decided he didn't want anyneigbours ... I felt this could be a problem for future, and when time would have been ripe, I would have talked with him on that

Right now Tigre should accept that he did not have right on his side when he invaded Vermino's domain which can put him at a disadvantage in his future relations with his neighbours - and at the same time Vermino should get busy trying to find an amicable middleground with Tigre as the risc of getting wiped out increases the longer the conflict persists.