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Hadus 
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 Posted: 29 Aug 2012 at 19:01 |
I'm too far from the situation to call the rights and wrongs, but I'd say this comes down to politics? You mentioned being unprepared? That, unfortunately, is a valid factor in war; few battles were won in history without some element of surprise. I'd also be interested in hearing what sort of agreements and confederations you alliance had been working on recently, in the event of an attack from a larger force. That could have been a great help to you.
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Silent/Steadfast
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Joined: 03 Jun 2011
Location: Pacific County
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Points: 553
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Posted: 29 Aug 2012 at 19:01 |
 Bonaparta wrote:
Interesting!
People must be really starving for conflicts. Let me try to clarify few things before 20 alliances declare war and feel very proud and just about it...
Vermino, why didn't you start by telling that you and your former alliance agreed to that duel and you fully knew what was at stake, actually it was you who proposed the duel it out with Tigre to me. Perhaps your overconfidence got the best of you when you assassinated most of Tigre's commanders, thieved tens of thousands advanced resources of him and won few skirmishes. Truth for a change wouldn't hurt. Why didn't you accept Tigre's offer to recall a siege and end this? Why did you lie that you couldn't even get 40M which is not even the amount your thieves took from Tigre. In your thieving city alone is much more ... resources worth over 1.5 billion. I think that if Tigre's spies wouldn't find out the truth you would still pretend to be a poor pacifist with large armies and huge amount of thieves just to protect yourself... In fact I was amazed when I saw that spy report. You are richest thief I ever saw... Perhaps I will write more on this matter later but let's go on to other posts. |
So you're saying: After getting screwed over by our aggression, Vermino, you offered a one on one battle that you weren't prepared for so that you could save your alliance from destruction, attempted to win it via sabotaging your enemy's war effort, and now that the war is going badly for you, you offer us ONLY 50 mil to stop! (Yes, the number was 50, not 40 mil) Honestly Bona, I've always respected you as a leader of the community and of your alliance, however on this one the facts are against you. Vermino DID inform me about the conflict (I lead the alliance he joined) and sent me the mails between you, Tigre, G0DsDestroyer, and himself, and what I see is Tigre forcibly taking from Vermino what was his by right of length of occupation. Let's talk about how gracious Vermino was in allowing Tigre to settle so close to him in the first place, shall we? He didn't have to do that, and when he did he did set down rules to make sure that the area would remain at least mostly under his control. Well, Tigre saw how nice his new neighbor was, and decided to take advantage of it. Is this honestly how you want your alliance to conduct it's affairs in Illyriad?
Bonaparta wrote:
Ander. Vermino switched alliances already. I very much doubt that he informed his new alliance leaders about entire situation and even if he did I even more doubt that he spoke the truth. If he would, I doubt that any serious alliance would accept him.
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Edited by Silent/Steadfast - 29 Aug 2012 at 19:04
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"Semantics are no protection from a 50 Megaton Thermonuclear Stormcrow."-Yggdrassil (June 21, 2011 6:48 PM)
"SCROLL ya donut!" Urgorr The Old (September 1, 2011 4:08 PM)
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Bonaparta
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Joined: 03 Nov 2011
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Posted: 29 Aug 2012 at 18:56 |
scaramouche wrote:
you miss the point...settling that close to someone without any notification and attacking their sov is an aggressive move by anyone's standards. |
Not by anyone's standard... Those two cities could coexist as they are without any economic hindrance to each other. There isn't enough space in Elgea anymore that would make it possible that all cities would be 10 sq away. Vermino probably planned to settle there himself or one of his friends, but got beaten to it, then he started claiming unreasonable sovs around that city.
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scaramouche
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Posted: 29 Aug 2012 at 18:47 |
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you miss the point...settling that close to someone without any notification and attacking their sov is an aggressive move by anyone's standards.
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Bonaparta
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Posted: 29 Aug 2012 at 18:41 |
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Scaramuche, actually those spots become Vermino's sovs only after the city was already there in 5 days cool down period. Not to mention they are too far away to make any profit for Vermino.
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scaramouche
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Posted: 29 Aug 2012 at 18:38 |
Bonaparta wrote:
Interesting!
People must be really starving for conflicts. Let me try to clarify few things before 20 alliances declare war and feel very proud and just about it...
Vermino, why didn't you start by telling that you and your former alliance agreed to that duel and you fully knew what was at stake, actually it was you who proposed the duel it out with Tigre to me. Perhaps your overconfidence got the best of you when you assassinated most of Tigre's commanders, thieved tens of thousands advanced resources of him and won few skirmishes. Truth for a change wouldn't hurt. Why didn't you accept Tigre's offer to recall a siege and end this? Why did you lie that you couldn't even get 40M which is not even the amount your thieves took from Tigre. In your thieving city alone is much more ... resources worth over 1.5 billion. I think that if Tigre's spies wouldn't find out the truth you would still pretend to be a poor pacifist with large armies and huge amount of thieves just to protect yourself... In fact I was amazed when I saw that spy report. You are richest thief I ever saw... Perhaps I will write more on this matter later but let's go on to other posts.
Corwin you've got mail.
Brids, interesting, first I hear of this, but judging from your previous posts when you always poured fuel to a fire, I really can't take you very seriously. Wherever there was a bit of a conflict you kind of choose one side and with your comments actively seek for war. Are you that bored?
Ander. Vermino switched alliances already. I very much doubt that he informed his new alliance leaders about entire situation and even if he did I even more doubt that he spoke the truth. If he would, I doubt that any serious alliance would accept him.
Malpherion. Not long ago I read like 4-5 posts about you in conflict with different persons and alliances. I think that speaks for itself. Let me paste you definition of a bully:
bul·ly 1 n. pl. bul·lies1. A person who is habitually cruel or overbearing, especially to smaller or weaker people. 2. A hired ruffian; a thug. 3. A pimp. 4. Archaic A fine person. 5. Archaic A sweetheart.
So by you bravely extending your "services" to Vermino against Tigre which point in deffinition would apply, perhaps a sweetheart? (Tigre is half your size, you do offer yourself for hire, not to mention Tigre lost most of his armies in this duel....)
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I find it interesting that you start this reply from the moment of the duel between these players yet fail to mention the fact Tigre hijacked vermino's sov plots by force.
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Bonaparta
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Joined: 03 Nov 2011
Location: Milky Way
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Posted: 29 Aug 2012 at 18:18 |
Interesting!
People must be really starving for conflicts. Let me try to clarify few things before 20 alliances declare war and feel very proud and just about it...
Vermino, why didn't you start by telling that you and your former alliance agreed to that duel and you fully knew what was at stake, actually it was you who proposed the duel it out with Tigre to me. Perhaps your overconfidence got the best of you when you assassinated most of Tigre's commanders, thieved tens of thousands advanced resources of him and won few skirmishes. Truth for a change wouldn't hurt. Why didn't you accept Tigre's offer to recall a siege and end this? Why did you lie that you couldn't even get 40M which is not even the amount your thieves took from Tigre. In your thieving city alone is much more ... resources worth over 1.5 billion. I think that if Tigre's spies wouldn't find out the truth you would still pretend to be a poor pacifist with large armies and huge amount of thieves just to protect yourself... In fact I was amazed when I saw that spy report. You are richest thief I ever saw... Perhaps I will write more on this matter later but let's go on to other posts.
Corwin you've got mail.
Brids, interesting, first I hear of this, but judging from your previous posts when you always poured fuel to a fire, I really can't take you very seriously. Wherever there was a bit of a conflict you kind of choose one side and with your comments actively seek for war. Are you that bored?
Ander. Vermino switched alliances already. I very much doubt that he informed his new alliance leaders about entire situation and even if he did I even more doubt that he spoke the truth. If he would, I doubt that any serious alliance would accept him.
Malpherion. Not long ago I read like 4-5 posts about you in conflict with different persons and alliances. I think that speaks for itself. Let me paste you definition of a bully:
bul·ly 1 n. pl. bul·lies1. A person who is habitually cruel or overbearing, especially to smaller or weaker people. 2. A hired ruffian; a thug. 3. A pimp. 4. Archaic A fine person. 5. Archaic A sweetheart.
So by you bravely extending your "services" to Vermino against Tigre which point in deffinition would apply, perhaps a sweetheart? (Tigre is half your size, you do offer yourself for hire, not to mention Tigre lost most of his armies in this duel....)
Edited by Bonaparta - 29 Aug 2012 at 18:22
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Malpherion
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Posted: 29 Aug 2012 at 17:16 |
Vermillo, in your case, I am prepared to offer my services as champion to teach Tigre a lesson.... I saw you would be prepared to pay 50 million+ and an offer of support. This is just a thought mate, seems you've been bullied excessively here. Off course we would apply their own rules, me and Tigre 1 on 1....  Corwin, I remember you, your a good guy.
I would say in your case, that firstly you should talk to Jasche, he's good at that diplomacy stuff.
Your alliance should be able to "Sort out" BSH for you, surely.
Failing that, I offer to you the same as Vermillo above, 1 on 1 with Gypsy_Morph, for a nominal fee of course 
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Ander
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Posted: 29 Aug 2012 at 16:57 |
Why don't you could take refuge in a bigger alliance for a while? I'm sure there will be plenty of folks happy to take you in. May not be a very happy thing to do, but still better than giving in to bullying and blackmail.
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Brids17
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Posted: 29 Aug 2012 at 16:38 |
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I faintly recall a few people talking about Tigre being very aggressive back when he was in VALAR so I guess nothing has changed. Maybe it'll be the end of him eventually.
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