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Juswin 
Wordsmith
Joined: 04 Aug 2011
Location: Philippines
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Points: 119
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 Posted: 17 Sep 2012 at 11:36 |
Invictusa may just have been emotional in his response to Sunstorm's post. Sunstorm, who raised valid inquiries, made several statements that appear to undermine Consone's general purpose and motives. This may well be unintentional, as he just recently learned about Consone.
I would also like to point out that Ander and Hora have made several excellent points regarding Sunstorm's concerns.
And one final thing, let us all have cool heads prevail.
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Llyorn Of Jaensch
Postmaster
Joined: 31 Mar 2010
Location: Sydney
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Points: 924
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Posted: 17 Sep 2012 at 11:04 |
 Magnifico G wrote:
Llyorn Of Jaensch wrote:
... gives you the ca-ho-nes...
...You F***ing kidding mate? Jaensche pull this guys head in. Harmless will not let mud stick...
...Post crap like this again and we'll have problems...
...I look forward to rational dialogue solving this issue.
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I am sure that we all look forward to rational dialogue without resorting to this kind of language; which is inexcusable. |
I am seeking an explanation for unwarranted personal attacks on one of my members. That I am upset, I will not debate. That the language I used was strong? Agreed. My forward language is nothing in terms of inexcusable in relation to the attacks on my member and the accusations on my alliance. You should look elsewhere for inexcusable behaviour. For you will find none here.
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"ouch...best of luck."
HonoredMule
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Magnifico G
New Poster
Joined: 13 Sep 2012
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Points: 19
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Posted: 17 Sep 2012 at 10:33 |
Llyorn Of Jaensch wrote:
... gives you the ca-ho-nes...
...You F***ing kidding mate? Jaensche pull this guys head in. Harmless will not let mud stick...
...Post crap like this again and we'll have problems...
...I look forward to rational dialogue solving this issue.
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I am sure that we all look forward to rational dialogue without resorting to this kind of language; which is inexcusable.
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Kilotov V2.0
Greenhorn
Joined: 08 Sep 2012
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Points: 59
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Posted: 17 Sep 2012 at 10:21 |
invictusa wrote:
While you were gone on your holiday your alliance (and their 1 confed?) were completely and utterly attacking newby resource occupations all over the map because they were dealt a foul hand in resource populating and were slow to act in order to claim them. Silverlake, for instance, hilariously posted an entire thread incriminating his own confederacy. Or at least calling for it. Speak some sense to your alliance. |
lol i missed that. what was this about again? you mean Silverlake meant US? are you sure? i suppose you are guessing here, for i can not really see any hard evidence that would back up such a bold statement. talking about snatching stuff from other alliance's newbies... i know of some that are trying really hard to do just that to one of our youngest members.. just saying..
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Llyorn Of Jaensch
Postmaster
Joined: 31 Mar 2010
Location: Sydney
Status: Offline
Points: 924
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Posted: 17 Sep 2012 at 09:55 |
invictusa wrote:
And yet you came to the rescue of your alliance's resident GC drunkard by backing him up by making an arguably offensive
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Careful. Be very careful now. Because we view this as say, more than...'arguably offensive'.
invictusa wrote:
Are you high? |
That you're affilliated with a whole group you may think, gives you the ca-ho-nes to baselessly insult one of our members... Yet SS has not insulted you once! This is your second baseless argument/resort to personal insult. We think thats unfair. You wouldnt like our personal insults, trust me.
invictusa wrote:
While you were gone on your holiday your alliance (and their 1 confed?) were completely and utterly attacking newby resource occupations all over the map because they were dealt a foul hand in resource populating and were slow to act in order to claim them. Silverlake, for instance, hilariously posted an entire thread incriminating his own confederacy. Or at least calling for it. Speak some sense to your alliance. Post this link in your AC: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6UAYGxiRwU |
You F***ing kidding mate? Jaensche pull this guys head in. Harmless will not let mud stick. Post crap like this again and we'll have problems. Find me ONE Illy member who has a problem with Silverlake. ONE. Treading a thin line mate. Sil is THE most outstanding member of Illy in character. Prove me otherwise. Invictusa: Harmless will always be happy to argue rational debate. Resort to baseless accusation/insult or name-calling. Nope. Sorry. Harmless looks forward to Jaenchs response and INVICTUS explanation of debate of issue as opposed to Invictusa's multiple personal attack's, which are irrelevant, unwarrented and will not be tolerated. I look forward to rational dialogue solving this issue.
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"ouch...best of luck."
HonoredMule
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Southern Dwarf
Forum Warrior
Joined: 28 Sep 2011
Status: Offline
Points: 281
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Posted: 17 Sep 2012 at 08:45 |
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As a member of Victrix I have yet to see if we are really bullying anyone. The only alliance I have personal experience with bullying others is Harmless? which threatened my alliance because I operated enhanced geomancy buff on StJude's town because they wanted to drive him out of the game. In my opinion players who decide who is allowed to play a game and who is not suffer serious mental illness. I do not play this game to have fun on the cost of the fun of others. Only babies cry "Me me me". If someone makes a mistake he should be sanctioned. But there is a reasonable end to such actions. Harmless? has shown it is incapable of such reason. But I think Consone is.
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Also known as Afaslizo ingame.
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SunStorm
Postmaster
Joined: 01 Apr 2011
Location: "Look Up"
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Points: 979
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Posted: 17 Sep 2012 at 02:01 |
Hora,
Thank you! Very informative and nicely articulated. Again, I regret seeing this two months later than everyone else, but I was unaware that there was any such Confederation until last night. All those posts have been within a 24 hour period and nobody seemed to want to answer questions. (and Invictusa, I truly am sorry if my original post was offensive - I have enjoyed our friendship and didn't mean to offend.)
Questions I feel are sufficiently resolved: - Consone was not started up as a response to the razing of an inactive player's city (which I, and possibly others, thought it was). (again, I am two months too late on this)
- Alliances/players will continue to function and work out their own problems among the other alliances/players - Consone will not be stepping in to meddle or dictate how others should play.
- Consone will strive to defensively (not aggressively) help the weaker alliances and players when they are clearly and blatantly being oppressed by others.
- None of the alliances in the Consone Confederation are aggressive by nature.
- This is not a new millitary super-power which will rise up at times or turmoil in the game and attempt to right every wrong and maintain justice.
- Actions made rashly by individuals and alliances within the Consone Confederation will be handled on a case-to-case basis and Consone will remain entirely neutral if the individual or alliance is found to be at fault. (That is, they will not continue to aid and defend someone that is guilty of war crimes.)
- Consone has not tainted the Illyriad water supply with a mind controlling substance.
If any of those are off target, please speak up - because I am assuming on some of those and am aiming to understand more clearly. (yeah, that last one was a joke) (:P)
So basically, this is an Umbrella Cooperation (sorry, I was watching the resident evil movies yesterday) that will aid the smaller alliances - such as Harmless? would die in the fight to protect Toothless? if it came to it. If more alliances are wanting to join this Confederation, how large are you planning on growing? I am curious on this point since I daily hear rumors of new alliances merging with others or becoming sister alliances and such....
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"Side? I am on nobody's side because nobody is on my side" ~LoTR
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Hora
Postmaster
Joined: 10 May 2010
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Points: 839
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Posted: 17 Sep 2012 at 01:19 |
About some of Sunstorms questions (I didn't have the time to read all of them yet...):
We didn't have any luck on any of the big mysteries yet... if we would have, we'd have most probably shared with the community. Of course, if we should discover one, which obviously gives strategic/military, etc. power, we'll have to think twice about publishing it (as any big alliance would).
And on how to react militarily... we have some guidelines, all aimed on mutual defense. But as most diplomatic incidents in Illy use to be far more difficult than "Hey, we're under attack, lets beat those aggressors down!", we're reluctant to cast strict rules, as we would bind ourselves to them, leaving no space for negotiations... that's why usually there'd be a meeting first.... Clear cases, like outright attacks without any provocations from our side, etc. won't need much debating, of course... 
Hope this answered some more questions... and I'm sorry that hadn't been done without some misunderstandings, accusations, etc. in previous posts...
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Hora
Postmaster
Joined: 10 May 2010
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Points: 839
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Posted: 17 Sep 2012 at 01:00 |
STAR wrote:
My comments are not a personal attack against anyone one person or alliance, i am just trying to see what direction you are wanting to take this consone in, since the things Consone is wanting to achieve, are things that are already been done by the entire illy community.
Anyway i wish you's well in your pursuits
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Many thanks for your good wishes Star 
So some opinions from my side... Every big power will have to face the word "bully" as soon as they take action against any other person in this game. We are aware of that, thus we'll plan our steps thoughtfully.
Bullying is always dependent of the side the acuser is standing on, so everyone will have to make his own decisions, where to draw the line...
We don't want to brand anyone anything, and we're OK with any opinions on us. But as we're believing in Consone's ideals, we'll, of course, write posts defending our ideals... and misunderstandings, hard words etc... will definitely occure, but are not intended to create a parallel society, where others are bullied...
Talking about the "entire illy community"... Usually, this group also doesn't consist in all players, but only those active in GC. And I witnessed this "community" as far more aggressive and far more likely to begin crusades, than Consone will ever be. That doesn't aim on certain players, but onto the "community" in general, which can react unpredictable...
The direction we're wanting to take, is those most confederacies want... protection against possible enemies (especially the smaller members), and, of course, diplomatic backup in any complicated incidents.
The Crows had such a concept for quite some time now (actually, as far as I can think back), and usually are one of the most stable and peaceful forces in this game... so why are all those players scared of us? If you look at the alliances in Consone, all of them are peaceful ones, so why should we run havoc all of sudden?
I hope that answered your questions... kindest regards, Hora
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STAR
Greenhorn
Joined: 11 Jun 2010
Status: Offline
Points: 99
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Posted: 16 Sep 2012 at 23:09 |
After reading through several posts, i just want something clarified please.
Does the 11 alliances dictate what "they" perceive to be tyranny and bullying and have an expectation for the rest of the illy community to have those same views and how does one go about determining the bully or tyranny factor without being perceived as one themselves and by whos standards is tyranny and bullying determined? and does it end there or would the 11 alliances start dictating other things?
It is habitual for some when you give them power or an inch they have the tendency to run a mile with it. I am not saying this is going to happen im just stating a fact.
Altho i am sure that everyone involved have the best intentions, sometimes what others think is best may not always be what is best in others eyes. How will you deal with the ones that do not agree with your perceptions or your ideals? Will you brand them outcasts or trolls?
My comments are not a personal attack against anyone one person or alliance, i am just trying to see what direction you are wanting to take this consone in, since the things Consone is wanting to achieve, are things that are already been done by the entire illy community.
Anyway i wish you's well in your pursuits
Edited by STAR - 16 Sep 2012 at 23:11
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