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SunStorm 
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 Posted: 17 Sep 2012 at 22:47 |
 Southern Dwarf wrote:
SunStorm wrote:
I see my concerns coming back. |
If you have concerns in the first place something about your reception of a simple presentation does not seem right. |
Those concerns were in regards to Consone being started in response to perceived injustices - and in response to their mission statement which says they will "challenge what [they] perceive to be bullying or injustice." This clearly is a euphemism that states they are willing to fight for what they believe to be right. I agree with this stance. We all need to believe in something and we need to be willing to fight for what we believe in. If you go back and read my posts, I have been asking over and over for clarification on their military stance.
Not once have I called this Confederation evil. I regret that my desire to understand this has upset so many.
scaramouche wrote:
My views on Consone are mixed, I see the benefits it can bring and I also see the downfalls ... I dont feel like WE have joined some monsterous military bad ass or any sort of Illy police force.
WE aint an aggressive alliance and our intergration into the Consone wasnt for any military reason |
Scaramouche,
Thank you for your post. I would agree that I don't see Consone's Confederation as monsterous. In fact, many times already I have pointed to the good I see in such an undertaking. I don't believe that any alliance has joined Consone for solely military purposes. Still, I don't think it is absurd to ask for clarification on the military stance of an 11+ Confederation. And I rather feel many are becoming hot-headed over the whole issue. Thank you for your level-headed response.
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scaramouche
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Posted: 17 Sep 2012 at 22:21 |
SunStorm wrote:
Since Consone does not have one leader - but many alliance heads and members - I am trying to figure out who is officially speaking for Consone and who is not. As far as I am concerned (with such a structure as has been established), every member who is in a Consone alliance has equal voice and is an equal representative. If this is not correct, please list out for the public those who "officially" speak for this Confederation. |
I dont speak for Consone , I can only speak for myself as a WE member and a member of consone. Joining Consone was a big surprise to me, one minute WE was a humble alliance mildly going about its business, next minute..BANG...we're a member of the coalition,believe me sunstorm you wasnt any more surprised than I. My views on Consone are mixed, I see the benefits it can bring and I also see the downfalls, but the biggest surprise to me was that since WE joined nothing really has changed, sure ive met new ppl to trade with and such but I dont feel like WE have joined some monsterous military bad ass or any sort of Illy police force. WE aint an aggressive alliance and our intergration into the Consone wasnt for any military reason ( although I dont deny it has some benefits) WE try to sort any problems diplomatically and if backed into a corner, militarily, out ourselves and as long as i've been a member its always been this way and will continue to do so.
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Southern Dwarf
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Posted: 17 Sep 2012 at 22:21 |
SunStorm wrote:
I see my concerns coming back. |
If you have concerns in the first place something about your reception of a simple presentation does not seem right.
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Also known as Afaslizo ingame.
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SunStorm
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Posted: 17 Sep 2012 at 22:18 |
Southern Dwarf wrote:
SunStorm wrote:
Actually, can you please elaborate on your actions since you were knowingly helping someone that rather foolishly declared war on almost every alliance in Illyriad. |
I help everyone with buffs. Since he did not declare war on my alliance why should I not help him? He was sanctioned enough with the razing of most of his cities. You again fail to reason why a single insignificant food buff is a viable reason for a war threat. But since you are unable to see other view points as something different from flaming I do not even wonder about it anymore. You seem to like viewing Consone as the BIG Evil and do everything to fabricate claims for your viewpoint.
You present yourself just as another wannabe-dictator who likes to decide how everyone should play so you have the most fun on the cost of others. |
Southern Dwarf,Show me one post where I have said Consone was evil. I will wait.
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Southern Dwarf
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Posted: 17 Sep 2012 at 22:09 |
SunStorm wrote:
Actually, can you please elaborate on your actions since you were knowingly helping someone that rather foolishly declared war on almost every alliance in Illyriad. |
I help everyone with buffs. Since he did not declare war on my alliance why should I not help him? He was sanctioned enough with the razing of most of his cities. You again fail to reason why a single insignificant food buff is a viable reason for a war threat. But since you are unable to see other view points as something different from flaming I do not even wonder about it anymore. You seem to like viewing Consone as the BIG Evil and do everything to fabricate claims for your viewpoint. You present yourself just as another wannabe-dictator who likes to decide how everyone should play so you have the most fun on the cost of others.
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SunStorm
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Posted: 17 Sep 2012 at 22:01 |
Southern Dwarf wrote:
And if you did not get it: H? threatened my alliance (Invictus at this point) with aggressive actions because of a gift of nourishment spell I granted one of StJude's towns. |
Actually, can you please elaborate on your actions since you were knowingly helping someone that rather foolishly declared war on almost every alliance in Illyriad.
belargyle wrote:
Ander (top of page 10) stated regarding who is the official spokesmen for Consone:
"Jasche is the person to contact for anything official regarding Consone. " |
Belargyle,
I have thanked you for your post. My confusion lies in the fact that I have repeatedly asked legitimate questions regarding Consone's military stance and I have been answered by multiple people.
Mandarins31 wrote:
Consone is a ring of confederacies. All alliances are in confederation with each other ... there is not a head leading it ... |
Since there is no head, I have now asked questions regarding Consone's leadership. Who speaks for Consone? Unlike alliance pages, there is no official post stating "For all questions and concerns, please contact _______." Ander has pointed out that Jasche is the person to contact for anything "official" regarding Consone. If that is the case, then Consone may need to issue some retractions for all the posts made "unofficially."
Please understand, I am trying to sort out what comments are valid and which ones are not. I have found many posts insightful and helpful...others, not so much. How can one leader speak for 11+ alliances with each having up to 100 members? The voices I am hearing are the voices of the members. This is the heart of Consone - without each independent voice, there would never be a meeting of the minds. I would hate to see Consone silence anyone, therefore I have been treating each post as a valid representation of Consone's membership - because face it, that is what they are. However, if there is someone official that should be posting in here, I am still waiting for confirmation or answers regarding that which I have been asking about.
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"Side? I am on nobody's side because nobody is on my side" ~LoTR
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Southern Dwarf
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Posted: 17 Sep 2012 at 21:13 |
SunStorm wrote:
I see my concerns coming back. Yet another flame post from Consone regarding Harmless. I am not willing to dredge up the past history between St.Jude or his playing style (just in case anyone has forgotten, he was the one that declared war on almost every alliance in the game...). Have you seen Harmless actively driving players from the game and telling them that they are not "allowed to play?" Can you please give more examples of this? Perhaps the many reincarnations of Attila the Hun (Oh wait, he is still here). Perhaps the fellow _duQ (Oh wait, they didn't drive him out either). You need more information and more facts before throwing out such accusations. This was one of my concerns...actions taking by Consone regarding matters which they are not FULLY knowledgeable in. |
I acknowledge your lack in reading. I wrote that is right to sanction mistakes. But there have to be reasonable actions not blind crusades. And if you did not get it: H? threatened my alliance (Invictus at this point) with aggressive actions because of a gift of nourishment spell I granted one of StJude's towns. Please elaborate why such an insignificant buff makes a threatening of war reasonable and just. Thank you in advance. And if you "fear" something relax. I do not play this game to bully anyone and am not ready to field a significant number of troops because of the number of spells I operate on newer members. I fail to see how helping anyone is a threat to the players. But you will for sure enlighten me and the people around.
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Gossip Boy
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Posted: 17 Sep 2012 at 18:05 |
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I think everyone who is on the forum for some time knows what is going on in this thread.
One confed is beginning to feel threatened by another one, which i must say haven't shown any intent of doing so. But still judging from some of the posts here, i think the PR offensive is ON.
Edited by Gossip Boy - 17 Sep 2012 at 18:06
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[08:34]<Rill> when you've just had part of your brain taken out, you lack a certain amount of credibility
<KillerPoodle> I can say anything I like and it is impossible to prove or disprove
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belargyle
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Posted: 17 Sep 2012 at 17:43 |
Ander (top of page 10) stated regarding who is the official spokesmen for Consone:
"Jasche is the person to contact for anything official regarding Consone. "
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SunStorm
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Posted: 17 Sep 2012 at 17:35 |
Southern Dwarf wrote:
As a member of Victrix I have yet to see if we are really bullying anyone. The only alliance I have personal experience with bullying others is Harmless? which threatened my alliance because I operated enhanced geomancy buff on StJude's town because they wanted to drive him out of the game. In my opinion players who decide who is allowed to play a game and who is not suffer serious mental illness. I do not play this game to have fun on the cost of the fun of others. Only babies cry "Me me me". If someone makes a mistake he should be sanctioned. But there is a reasonable end to such actions. Harmless? has shown it is incapable of such reason. But I think Consone is. |
I see my concerns coming back. Yet another flame post from Consone regarding Harmless. I am not willing to dredge up the past history between St.Jude or his playing style (just in case anyone has forgotten, he was the one that declared war on almost every alliance in the game...). Have you seen Harmless actively driving players from the game and telling them that they are not "allowed to play?" Can you please give more examples of this? Perhaps the many reincarnations of Attila the Hun (Oh wait, he is still here). Perhaps the fellow _duQ (Oh wait, they didn't drive him out either). You need more information and more facts before throwing out such accusations. This was one of my concerns...actions taking by Consone regarding matters which they are not FULLY knowledgeable in.
Juswin wrote:
Sunstorm, who raised valid inquiries, made several statements that appear to undermine Consone's general purpose and motives. |
I regret to say, I am still trying to understand Consone's purpose. The more posts are made, the more I question....
Since Consone does not have one leader - but many alliance heads and members - I am trying to figure out who is officially speaking for Consone and who is not. As far as I am concerned (with such a structure as has been established), every member who is in a Consone alliance has equal voice and is an equal representative. If this is not correct, please list out for the public those who "officially" speak for this Confederation.
Furthermore, I am still waiting for someone to confirm or modify my post regarding Consone's stance on military action. Perhaps this takes time - I understand. I am willing to wait.
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