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belargyle 
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Joined: 17 Jun 2010
Location: USA
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 Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 18:18 |
 Hora wrote:
Yes, but again it seems some people still believe we wanted to shoot down RHY. That is not true. We thought, and still think, that sieges are totally out of proportion. Thus we break them. End of story from Consone side. |
So you are agreeing that it was not VIC who sent the aid but VIC moved because Consone told them to do it. Hora, Consone had NO part in those dealings. An alliance Confederate to SkB (ABSA) was asked to help, and then ABSA got attacked for attacking... At NO time was this ever a Consone matter, even when ABSA was attacked. SkB and ABSA have the numbers to defend themselves against RHY. In fact, we have seen SkB use thousands of Horsemen lately.. they could have broken sieges on their ally and ABSA has the military to the same. In fact, Consone has NO business there at all. It isn't even a Consone matter even in Defence! Remember H? ONLY became involved AFTER VIC did.
What Consone has done is totally out of proportion, and I say again, none of their business except they thought they could bully an alliance into backing down with the shear force of numbers.
| If H? hadn't marched in, the sieges would have been dealt with, then diplomacy would have happened about that mine (including reparations to either side having more losses, etc...). |
LOL.. you are still contending this is over the mine.. seriously can't you read what has been written over and over and over... this is about the attack ABSA made on RHY.. the mine discussion is a whole different matter altogether. The diplomacy that WAS going on stopped however the moment ABSA got involved. So if you were looking for negotiations to continue, you should have dealt with ABSA and not RHY. Then VIC brought this to an escalation.. and then Consone further did so.
What you guys need to understand is ALL OF THIS is due to Consone's actions, every escalation has been in direct response to Consone actions.
Additionally, if H? hadn't marched in DLord would have because (we have had some crucial dealings with RHY and we have friendly ties now), yet again, VIC had no reason to get involved initially and neither did Consone. 2 on 1 was fair due to numbers, then 3 on 1 due to VIC jumping in. Then comes in H? as a direct response to VIC involvement... Then it moves to a War status in which H? declares on VIC for jumping in when there was no need to. The only need for VIC's involvement is to PRESUMABLY, frighten RHY out of attacking by being a bigger alliance and getting involved. This will not sit well with anyone's friends if an alliance does such. (I always state, if you jump in a fight be prepared TO fight - and VIC is not ignorant of this). Then once War was declared on VIC by H?, Consone brings in all it others for a War against H?. Then Dlord and others jump in to aid H? against a multi-alliances against 1.
Not very fair for a confederation who claim to care about fairness.. and to top THAT off, Consone is trying to recruit MORE alliances to help them against 10 to 4 odds in their favor.
Anyone else see the absolute hypocrisy of Consone. What is the point of having 10 against 4 and STILL trying to get more to help you out unless your goal is destruction and nothing less.
Edited by belargyle - 19 Oct 2012 at 18:31
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geofrey
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Joined: 31 May 2011
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Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 15:26 |
dunnoob wrote:
hellion19 wrote:
Unless this list is incorrect as to who is in Consone... |
Obsolete. ~KV~ dissolved itself, VICX fights with Consone, but is no member, ~FF~ and ~KT~ are training alliances and don't fight, FROST joined some weeks ago, and A.A. might be in the process of joining.
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Someone else besides me mentioned my alliance!!! This just made my day!
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Berylla
Wordsmith
Joined: 31 May 2011
Location: Sweden
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Points: 121
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Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 15:10 |
Any organisation should have one or more spokes-people (plural spokesperson?) and even though they might not be the leaders, they should be known as people you can come with questions, people who makes official statements, and so on.
If someone wants to set up a trading agreement with the Concone conglomerate, who should they speek to? Talking to 5 alliance leaders might be doable, but what if there are 10, or 50?
NB. I'm not asking to trade with the Concone conglomerate. I'm not that good at trading at the markets. This is just a peaceful example.
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KillerPoodle
Postmaster General
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Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 15:01 |
Hora wrote:
If H? hadn't marched in, the sieges would have been dealt with, then Consone would have bullied RHY into an unfair settlement or ignored their attempts at diplomacy completely leaving everyone in Consone happy. |
Fixed that for you based on previous Consone performance.
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"This is a bad idea and we shouldn't do it." - endorsement by HM
"a little name-calling is a positive thing." - Rill
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Magnificence
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Joined: 21 Nov 2011
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Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 14:38 |
Rorgash wrote:
I am for the war against Consone, and a veteran so i try to keep these stuff clear as these things are super important here in Illy. anyhow, Thats how the war started, nothing about bullying except some propaganda or the small parts that came up as more alliances came forth and talked about how different Consone alliance threatened smaller groups with Big Brother Consone. but i dont blame them.
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So, BSH will be getting involved then? (and dragging their confederacies in as well)
Or just remaining part of the pop-corn brigade?
EDIT: Grammar fail.
Edited by Magnificence - 19 Oct 2012 at 14:40
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Hora
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Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 13:33 |
Rorgash wrote:
its possible the war declaration came with VIC, i didnt check which order they were made, but SkB fought RHY, RHy Called Absa, so H? went in, then Consone group came to defense and things kept growing to the size it is now.
I am for the war against Consone, and a veteran so i try to keep these stuff clear as these things are super important here in Illy. anyhow, Thats how the war started, nothing about bullying except some propaganda or the small parts that came up as more alliances came forth and talked about how different Consone alliance threatened smaller groups with Big Brother Consone. but i dont blame them.
Started with a normal hostile actions between two alliances, then turned into something bigger when absa was called in. These has been confirmed by both sides, which are the only info that can really be trusted with all the mudslinging going on. |
Yes, but again it seems some people still believe we wanted to shoot down RHY. That is not true. We thought, and still think, that sieges are totally out of proportion. Thus we break them. End of story from Consone side. If H? hadn't marched in, the sieges would have been dealt with, then diplomacy would have happened about that mine (including reparations to either side having more losses, etc...).
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Rorgash
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Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 13:10 |
its possible the war declaration came with VIC, i didnt check which order they were made, but SkB fought RHY, RHy Called Absa, so H? went in, then Consone group came to defense and things kept growing to the size it is now.
I am for the war against Consone, and a veteran so i try to keep these stuff clear as these things are super important here in Illy. anyhow, Thats how the war started, nothing about bullying except some propaganda or the small parts that came up as more alliances came forth and talked about how different Consone alliance threatened smaller groups with Big Brother Consone. but i dont blame them.
Started with a normal hostile actions between two alliances, then turned into something bigger when absa was called in. These has been confirmed by both sides, which are the only info that can really be trusted with all the mudslinging going on.
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Hora
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Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 13:02 |
Rorgash wrote:
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No to what? Specifically on a certain point, or simply in general? 
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Rorgash
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Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 12:50 |
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Hora
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Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 12:03 |
hellion19 wrote:
dunnoob wrote:
hellion19 wrote:
Unless this list is incorrect as to who is in Consone... |
Obsolete. ~KV~ dissolved itself, VICX fights with Consone, but is no member, ~FF~ and ~KT~ are training alliances and don't fight, FROST joined some weeks ago, and A.A. might be in the process of joining.
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So lets say all that is true (as its likely more true than mine) it still makes it funny that the entire war that Consone was dragged into started because of a dispute between 2 non consone members and aggression started from a consone member 
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Ehm... correction... the current war started with H?'s declaration against VIC, claiming the actions before as bullying (kind of funny, this comes from H?, though...).
To my knowledge, RHY is neutral atm...
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