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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Nov 2012 at 02:50
Originally posted by The_Dude The_Dude wrote:

Originally posted by Grego Grego wrote:

Some folks really believed that H and rest of establishment accepted 5 square rule as settled law in Illy, equal for all. Nevermind, I know why we asked for help at that moment, I believe most of Consone members know why they had to respond, and we all know why you chose to fight against us.

I met people from both sides who want to stop this crazy bandwagon before someone really get hurt.

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What the hell is the "5 sq rule?"






I believe he is referencing the widely accepted policy of not settling within five squares of another players city unless there is prior approval, though to be honest I've seen that somewhat deteriorating in the last six months. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Nov 2012 at 01:29
Originally posted by Grego Grego wrote:

Some folks really believed that H and rest of establishment accepted 5 square rule as settled law in Illy, equal for all. Nevermind, I know why we asked for help at that moment, I believe most of Consone members know why they had to respond, and we all know why you chose to fight against us.

I met people from both sides who want to stop this crazy bandwagon before someone really get hurt.

Take care, old dwarf

What the hell is the "5 sq rule?"





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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Nov 2012 at 22:48
Some folks really believed that H and rest of establishment accepted 5 square rule as settled law in Illy, equal for all. Nevermind, I know why we asked for help at that moment, I believe most of Consone members know why they had to respond, and we all know why you chose to fight against us.

I met people from both sides who want to stop this crazy bandwagon before someone really get hurt.

Take care, old dwarf

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Nov 2012 at 19:36
I never stated they had 'no right'.. my point was specific.. Consone had no part and thus had no reason to become involved - I never stated 'no right'. ABSA, SkB, the other had enough troops to take on RHY fairly well and in their favor. So why did VIC need to jump in?.. If ABSA asked Consone to jump in and help.. then VIC was acting as a representative of Consone, but again, in an issue that did not involved Consone.

Thus, if they wish to get involved (of which they do have the right), then don't be surprised when others jump in to help as well. There comes a point where you need to judge your strength and the other side as well to determine if you have enough. Unfortunately this is where another mistake was made.

What you have is here a bandwagon effect that has lead Consone and it's membership into a place many in there do not wish to be. And due to this you have some that are all but begging to be let go (funny enough - with no repercussions) out of the War because they wasn't expecting this. 

What it comes down to is that some in Consone thought they had enough alliances to frighten others from making any serious attacks, but failed to realize others have just as many friends to keep the board balanced even against 11 alliances.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Nov 2012 at 19:32
Originally posted by Gartak Gartak wrote:

belargyle are you seriously saying that an alliance with a open confederacy with another alliance have no right to help that alliance if it is under attack? If so why do you think alliances make ally's? 


Exactly the opposite - they have every right to help, but they have no right to expect that their help will not bring in a further escalation and then go moaning on the forums about it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Nov 2012 at 18:51
belargyle are you seriously saying that an alliance with a open confederacy with another alliance have no right to help that alliance if it is under attack? If so why do you think alliances make ally's? 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 20:59
Originally posted by Sisren Sisren wrote:

You like to post on so many things, you are so knowledgable... about nothing.


He does have to live up to his name.  Lol.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 20:25
What is wrong with two enemies becoming friends? That is how you make lasting peace... just look at the European Union. It isn't perfect, but at least France, England and Germany isn't at each other's throats.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 20:19

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3.Belar accuses consone of being hypocrites w/o mentioning any reason (from what i can see thats their style).I hope belar is aware that NC and Dark  were fighting a war just a few days ago and I fail to see any reason for their new found love (imagine H? and VIC declaring a confedracy after 15 days from today).They are by far the biggest hypocrites i 've ever seen in this game.

Obviously you are in the know of the Dark V ~NC~ issue.  Can you enlighten me?  Obviously I am lost...

Seriously, is there a way to block someone posting?  You like to post on so many things, you are so knowledgable... about nothing.

If you actually looked at the Diplomatic Status between Dark and ~NC~ you will see it has not moved past a NAP since the ending of our hostilities, due to expire in the near future.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 19:39
Originally posted by belargyle belargyle wrote:

Originally posted by Hora Hora wrote:

Yes, but again it seems some people still believe we wanted to shoot down RHY. That is not true. We thought, and still think, that sieges are totally out of proportion. Thus we break them. End of story from Consone side.
So you are agreeing that it was not VIC who sent the aid but VIC moved because Consone told them to do it.

Hora, Consone had NO part in those dealings. An alliance Confederate to SkB (ABSA) was asked to help, and then ABSA got attacked for attacking...  At NO time was this ever a Consone matter, even when ABSA was attacked. SkB and ABSA have the numbers to defend themselves against RHY. In fact, we have seen SkB use thousands of Horsemen lately.. they could have broken sieges on their ally and ABSA has the military to the same. In fact, Consone has NO business there at all. It isn't even a Consone matter even in Defence! Remember H? ONLY became involved AFTER VIC did.

What Consone has done is totally out of proportion, and I say again, none of their business except they thought they could bully an alliance into backing down with the shear force of numbers.

Quote If H? hadn't marched in, the sieges would have been dealt with, then diplomacy would have happened about that mine (including reparations to either side having more losses, etc...).
LOL.. you are still contending this is over the mine.. seriously can't you read what has been written over and over and over... this is about the attack ABSA made on RHY.. the mine discussion is a whole different matter altogether. The diplomacy that WAS going on stopped however the moment ABSA got involved. So if you were looking for negotiations to continue, you should have dealt with ABSA and not RHY. Then VIC brought this to an escalation.. and then Consone further did so.

What you guys need to understand is ALL OF THIS is due to Consone's actions, every escalation has been in direct response to Consone actions.

Additionally, if H? hadn't marched in DLord would have because (we have had some crucial dealings with RHY and we have friendly ties now), yet again, VIC had no reason to get involved initially and neither did Consone. 2 on 1 was fair due to numbers, then 3 on 1 due to VIC jumping in. Then comes in H? as a direct response to VIC involvement... Then it moves to a War status in which H? declares on VIC for jumping in when there was no need to. The only need for VIC's involvement is to PRESUMABLY, frighten RHY out of attacking by being a bigger alliance and getting involved. This will not sit well with anyone's friends if an alliance does such. (I always state, if you jump in a fight be prepared TO fight - and VIC is not ignorant of this). Then once War was declared on VIC by H?, Consone brings in all it others for a War against H?. Then Dlord and others jump in to aid H? against a multi-alliances against 1. 

Not very fair for a confederation who claim to care about fairness.. and to top THAT off, Consone is trying to recruit MORE alliances to help them against 10 to 4 odds in their favor.

Anyone else see the absolute hypocrisy of Consone. What is the point of having 10 against 4 and STILL trying to get more to help you out unless your goal is destruction and nothing less.

Is there some competition going on for the dumbest post in the forum?
If it is I vote for this post as my winner.
My reasons
1.The post mentions that it isn't a consone matter even in defence .....I think consone has stated clearly that its basic objective is self defence (may be this person hears or sees what he wants to hear or see which is kinda dumb).

2.Belar reiterates the H? stand that this whole mess isn't about the mine which I (being a consone member) place at the very heart of the current problem second only to H?'s insecurity of losing their 'crown'.

3.Belar accuses consone of being hypocrites w/o mentioning any reason (from what i can see thats their style).I hope belar is aware that NC and Dark  were fighting a war just a few days ago and I fail to see any reason for their new found love (imagine H? and VIC declaring a confedracy after 15 days from today).They are by far the biggest hypocrites i 've ever seen in this game.
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