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Ossian 
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 Posted: 08 Apr 2013 at 18:11 |
 Rorgash wrote:
whats your ingame name Ossian? |
An old ploy Rorgash. I am tired of it. This isn't about me. It's about Illyriad. Those who wish to seek me out can find me easy enough.
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Ossian
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Posted: 08 Apr 2013 at 18:12 |
scaramouche wrote:
Although I see your good intent to try to start a debatable thread on a subject with noteworthy fascination, I feel this will turn into a slanging match and only end up being closed.
so on that note, I will not take no further part. |
Fair point. I will take no further part either. I was naive in establishing this thread
Edit...well maybe just one more.
Edited by Ossian - 08 Apr 2013 at 18:18
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KillerPoodle
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Posted: 08 Apr 2013 at 18:13 |
Ossian wrote:
^^Well, well. Will you look at at that ? Throw the Poodle a Dove of Peace and what does he do? He tears it to pieces.
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No you didn't, you continued with your existing style of anti-war posts.
No. I have no personal agenda. I am not a member of the former Consone, nor the former Coaltion alliances. If you look at my posts alomost all have argued for peace then mediation and now reconciliation.
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You say you have no agenda but then you post it in the very next sentence - arguing for peace and mediation IS an agenda.
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Where? You specifically say that the Victors need to do something (in your opinion) but say nothing about what those surrendering need to do.
You are not seriously going to admit in open forum that the leader of Harmless? wants to see Elgea in a state of perpetual war are you? Tell us ain't so KP. I'll be generous and give you a chance to "clarify" that point
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You stated that the game "cannot" be in a state of perpetual war. As a sandbox it most definitely can be in any state for any amount of time. This has nothing to do with my wishes one way or the other - your statement is just simply wrong.
Edited by KillerPoodle - 08 Apr 2013 at 18:14
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"This is a bad idea and we shouldn't do it." - endorsement by HM
"a little name-calling is a positive thing." - Rill
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KillerPoodle
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Posted: 08 Apr 2013 at 18:15 |
scaramouche wrote:
Although I see your good intent |
I don't - it's just another "WAR BAD, PEACE GOOD" post claiming to be something else.
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"This is a bad idea and we shouldn't do it." - endorsement by HM
"a little name-calling is a positive thing." - Rill
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Ossian
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Posted: 08 Apr 2013 at 18:23 |
KillerPoodle wrote:
Ossian wrote:
I did mention those who surrendered actually if you read my posts again.
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Where? You specifically say that the Victors need to do something (in your opinion) but say nothing about what those surrendering need to do.
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For your information the OP also included the words
Ossian wrote:
...Likewise, those who surrendered are not doing the game any good by allowing old grudges to fester. |
KP . I am tired of all this . Ok.
Edited by Ossian - 08 Apr 2013 at 18:24
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abstractdream
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Posted: 08 Apr 2013 at 18:56 |
Ossian wrote:
I think it is fair to say that we all of have to accept that there will likely always be wars in Elgea and The Broken Lands so long as our game continues (may that be for a long time yet  ). We seem to very good at starting them. Quite good at fighting them but at a loss with what to do in ending them.
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I think the only ones at a loss are those on the loosing end.
Ossian wrote:
Illyriad, by virtue of being Sandbox cannot be a game of "perpetual"war. We all saw the way in which the game suffered during The Consone War. Some of us have lost friends who quit because of it including players had contributed a lot to the game. Some even lost alliances and more than a few have lost cities. This is bound to create a sense of ill feeling between the main protagonists involved in The Consone War and this sense of ill feeling needs to be dealt with.
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That Illy "suffered" is a subjective observation. For me and the vast majority of players I associate with, Illy is way better now and the potential for entertainment has increased immensely.
Ossian wrote:
What is needed now is magnamity on the part of the victors not idle boasts and taunts. The victors will gain for credibililty if they show humility to towards the former Consone alliances, Likewise, those who surrendered are not doing the game any good by allowing old grudges to fester. Wargamers must always accept that battles and wars end and when that happens the "Spirit of the Game" has priority over any issues that continue to rankle people on either side.
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What is the "Spirit of the Game?" I think the game is wide open to just about any play style. Assigning some phantom "Spirit" to Illy is just another way of saying "play my way."
Ossian wrote:
That is the time when propaganda, ill feeling, serious diffrences in perspective must be set aside. Lets try and do that here, now in this thread
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Propaganda is fun. Ill feeling is natural. I would set aside serious differences in perspective but players like you, with a serious difference in perspective make it impossible to do that.
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Bonfyr Verboo
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Tordenkaffen
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Posted: 08 Apr 2013 at 19:02 |
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Ossian, you have been very vocal in the past of your resentment of H? Now you ask humility of us? How? Why? To what end? What exactly do you mean?
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you expect us to applaud EE for their way of tackling the peace
negotiations? Do we in any way not stress the fact that their behaviour
can result in H? being far less trusting the next time someone sues for
peace? You should have understood at this point that we were -
regardless of city loss or player abandonment - very forthcoming
considering the events that took place up until peace was concluded. So
what exactly is you point?
About players leaving Illy I can say
only this: I love this game - but it is still a game, and a game doesn't
always keep you interested indefinately. Players leave Illyriad just as
they leave other games, the war however is simply the "triggerfactor" that prompts
players to take the step of abandoning, in some cases so that they will
appear like martyrs to their friends.
Illy is peace, Illy is war -
you want to play Illyriad you need to be able to deal with both without
getting a public hissy-fit or ragequitting - and get yourself in a good
alliance with responsible, mature, WISE leaders. If anything, this war
pointed that out for us vividly in the debates.
And btw in my
opinion, I think EE got off very easy from their play in the war; I am
convinced that the quick peace was a result of public pressure on H?
leadership. Not only had EE refused the same conditions for capitulation
which all other opponents had accepted, but mind you they were quite forward
when attacking us! They lay siege to quite a few northern H? cities, quite
memorably Llyorn of Jaensch's, Tansiraines and Killerpoodles. So in what
skewered reality do the Eagles get off demanding leniency via popular
demand once all their other options are exhausted. I know not but they did.
So back to you Ossian. Whats your point?
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"FYI - if you had any balls you'd be posting under your in-game name." - KP
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Rorgash
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Posted: 08 Apr 2013 at 20:02 |
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anyone knows his IG name? i could end this right quick(a week or 2 due to IG travel times, and with other times maybe 3 months... damn Illy is huge..)
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Epidemic
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Posted: 08 Apr 2013 at 20:13 |
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So now we're going to attack players because we don't like what they say? Oh wait, we already do that...
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Rorgash
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Posted: 08 Apr 2013 at 20:21 |
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well yes, if someone calls me names or act extremely rude i would attack them yes :) not saying he is.
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