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Rill
Postmaster General
Player Council - Geographer
Joined: 17 Jun 2011
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Topic: Concerning the cities of Steadfast Shield Posted: 07 Apr 2012 at 03:56 |
Subatoi wrote:
It doesn't have to be in this forum, I seem to recall Ncrow getting pissy when someone tried to siege one of their inactives who wasn't coming back to illu. |
Someone laid siege to a player in my alliance who had been inactive for less than 30 days. The player was not suspended, and we had hope that the player would return. We objected. I imagine most people would do the same.
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SunStorm
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Joined: 01 Apr 2011
Location: "Look Up"
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Posted: 07 Apr 2012 at 03:45 |
I must admit... I have been enjoying the silent/steadfast accounts (even though they caused me confusion in GC with the initials "SS"). I only jumped to conclusions (aka: played the devils advocate) due to my complete and utter shock that one of them had suddenly been suspended. I once played a game where long-standing, well known players being suspended meant that they were breaking rules - it was never voluntary. However, the scenarios of meta-gaming by multiple accounting solely for the purpose of farming your own cities is frowned upon, so I rather feel karpintero should be less narrow-minded and possibly look at the overall picture before smearing others. Now if he had smeared Ryelle, that would be another story altogether... *she is, after all, the evil one*
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Createure
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Joined: 07 Apr 2010
Location: uk
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Posted: 07 Apr 2012 at 03:10 |
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I know how you feel Stead. Tbh Illy forums regulars love to play devils advocate - if you present a view they will present the opposite one just to spark a debate. Maybe that's a good thing, idk.
And regarding the 2-account thing... tbh I don't see how anyone could be bothered to play more than 2 accounts toa high level in Illy. Sure it is fun but all that building for a 9-10 city account... it really does hurt.
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karpintero
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Joined: 27 Sep 2011
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Posted: 07 Apr 2012 at 03:08 |
Silent/Steadfast wrote:
In retrospect, I should have realized that these are the illyriad forums, and that you can't escape from being framed for something when you post in the politics and diplomacy forum no matter how you approach the issue. Silly me.  |
Congratulations to Rill for enforcing her personal brand of morality! Given her stature, a lot of players seem to blindly follow her statements, rendering anyone who opposes her "wrong" and "immoral". Shut up Rill. Stop trying to dip your snakelike tongue in every issue.
SS, just go forth and capture those. Ignore those hypocrites.
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War is ugly. Make it happy.
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Silent/Steadfast
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Joined: 03 Jun 2011
Location: Pacific County
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Posted: 07 Apr 2012 at 03:03 |
Karpintero: I have no issue with rill's suspected immorality of my actions, since she isn't directly contesting my claim. She is my friend, and I'd prefer that you don't insult her.
Edited by Silent/Steadfast - 07 Apr 2012 at 03:11
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"Semantics are no protection from a 50 Megaton Thermonuclear Stormcrow."-Yggdrassil (June 21, 2011 6:48 PM) "SCROLL ya donut!" Urgorr The Old (September 1, 2011 4:08 PM)
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karpintero
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Posted: 07 Apr 2012 at 02:56 |
Rill wrote:
I never suggested that you were breaking a game rule. I said I think what you are doing is unethical. I still believe that. I think you should do the right thing and stop attempting to claim any rights over these cities. Perhaps you might even encourage competition for them. If you won in open competition, then ethical questions would be moot. |
Shut up Rill. Stop playing your serpentlike tongue in this discussion. You did not suggest that SS broke a rule yet you mentioned that you think he's doing something unethical, bringing into the discussion the possibility that SS is doing this self-centered action that is against your personal moral code. Screw that. He never broke a rule and just came here to state his intentions of claiming the city of his alt, which is technically his in the first place. Stop putting any color into his statements and actions.
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Silent/Steadfast
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Location: Pacific County
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Posted: 07 Apr 2012 at 02:52 |
Hi createure, I created this post so that people were aware that I had claimed Titanium Tower and Cobalt Castle. I didn't want to have to break sieges and then apologize and explain that I was going to siege the cities. That would create lots of messy work for me, repeating the same thing to those who showed an interest in the cities over and over. I decided to approach the problem in a more central way, by posting it on the forum so that I didn't have to repeat myself. I never expected any players to morally question my motives, nor did I expect that I would be framed for multi-accounting. In retrospect, I should have realized that these are the illyriad forums, and that you can't escape from being framed for something when you post in the politics and diplomacy forum no matter how you approach the issue.
Silly me. 
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"Semantics are no protection from a 50 Megaton Thermonuclear Stormcrow."-Yggdrassil (June 21, 2011 6:48 PM) "SCROLL ya donut!" Urgorr The Old (September 1, 2011 4:08 PM)
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GM Luna
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Posted: 07 Apr 2012 at 02:32 |
Any specific detail about how exactly we deal with multi-account violators would be problematic to share as it would essentially give license for people to attempt to game the system. I can't comment further than that. Creating more than 2 accounts is bad, mkay?
Luna
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Createure
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Posted: 07 Apr 2012 at 02:31 |
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Honestly I don't even see why this deserves a thread... unless it was originally intended to provoke some kind of dull meta-morality debate I don't see why it couldn't just be handled on a first-come-first-seige basis.
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Silent/Steadfast
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Posted: 07 Apr 2012 at 02:20 |
SunStorm wrote:
I feel this is a valid question that deserves a response.
Bonaparta wrote:
Why didn't he siege his alt town, while alt was still active? | If you suspend one account, you can instantly begin preparing new cities to assimilate... (~_~)
Silent/Steadfast - you must see how sketchy this all looks (>.<) Why did you even suspend your account if it was legit? |
You are completely correct, I did want to begin a new account, I felt that steady had no life in him. However, I have no plans to take this new alt's cities, and I have no plans for the two alts to co-exist, as silent and steady did, and their cities will not be near each other.
It may... But to my knowledge, multi-accounting isn't a meta-game offense (as opposed to Racial slurs, etc, which are certainly something that a warning can be given to) thus it doesn't need a warning. If the GMs could clarify this I'd appreciate it.
Edited by Silent/Steadfast - 07 Apr 2012 at 02:20
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"Semantics are no protection from a 50 Megaton Thermonuclear Stormcrow."-Yggdrassil (June 21, 2011 6:48 PM) "SCROLL ya donut!" Urgorr The Old (September 1, 2011 4:08 PM)
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