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    Posted: 06 Jun 2015 at 14:19
Hi fellow Illyrians,

some big alliances made statements neither related to firm claims nor fixed counter/anti-claims or rigid no claim zones.
So far those statements had been moved to the discussion thread, where they are lost between all the talk about general pros and cons.

This thread is planed to collect the statements of ignoration and denial. Please keep it as free of discussion as the other official thread...
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Official Statement of Invictus regarding the Land Claims:

Dear fellow Illyrians,

The recent weeks have seen some land claims in the BL, and VIC was asked, whether they'd like to do one, too.

In short: We won't.

Invictus is a big and widespread alliance, defining a heartland would be difficult. 

Further, why should we restrict other players?
On the other hand, why should they restrict us? 

We Consuls of VIC are suspiciously watching the new territories and their future development. 
We won't intervene right now, as we don't have a reason to do so, but we won't recognize any claims in or widely around High Hills for now.

Don't be afraid, we plan no counter claim, or anything... 
We'll just ignore!

That means business as usual: Settling/harvesting accidents will be solved diplomatically. Intentional actions against our units (be it by claim or not) won't be tolerated. We stay true to the widely accepted 10-square-please-ask-before-settling radius.

Claiming alliances concerned about this statement will recieve a more detailed IGM and are encouraged to ask any questions appearing also directly via IGM to keep this thread clean. Thank you.

Kindest regards,
the Consuls of Invictus



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10 alliances, most of them very small, have claimed about 15 percent of Broken Lands (that's what my eyes are telling me when looking at Jejune's map). This means that a relatively small part of the players are trying to dictate to the majority where to place their cities. It won't stand.
Dark Shade does not recognize these claims and, like Invictus, will ignore them.
We do not settle inside a land claim with an intention to force a conflict, but we settle where our strategy indicates even if this means settling inside a land claim. Militray or diplomatic actions against our cities will be answered with disproportionate military action.
Don't start none, won't be none!
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Originally posted by Halcyon Halcyon wrote:

10 alliances, most of them very small, have claimed about 15 percent of Broken Lands (that's what my eyes are telling me when looking at Jejune's map). This means that a relatively small part of the players are trying to dictate to the majority where to place their cities. It won't stand.
Dark Shade does not recognize these claims and, like Invictus, will ignore them.
We do not settle inside a land claim with an intention to force a conflict, but we settle where our strategy indicates even if this means settling inside a land claim. Military or diplomatic actions against our cities will be answered with disproportionate military action.
Don't start none, won't be none!

If you are settling within a land claim, it is with the intention to force a conflict. You not recognizing a land claim is well within your 'right', and certainly refusal to recognize claims is to be expected, but you can't hide behind 'but we're not forcing conflict'. 

I also wonder how many players in Illyriad are comfortable, or have been comfortable with the peacenik atmosphere. It could very well be that the majority have been uncomfortable, but have been subjugated by the minority that possesses the military prowess. 

You're directly challenging and threatening with vast destruction. How could anyone look at it and say 'yep, they're just interested in settlement as well'. 

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Originally posted by Han Dynasty Han Dynasty wrote:

 

I also wonder how many players in Illyriad are comfortable, or have been comfortable with the peacenik atmosphere. It could very well be that the majority have been uncomfortable, but have been subjugated by the minority that possesses the military prowess. 

You're directly challenging and threatening with vast destruction. How could anyone look at it and say 'yep, they're just interested in settlement as well'. 


Peacenik... ok, planned PvP going on down in BL (short of the opposition to Land Claims) isn't peacenik type? With negotiations on who is participating, which cities cannot be attacked 

...There isn't any kind of legitimate PvP going that you think BL should have going on.

BL is just an extension for ROOM, and we know when that happened. And we also know the devs planned it another way that didn't develop.. so now you are forcing conflict ALL over BL your way, with land claims... 

And please, mention who runs Elgea, that can't in BL, which is why this is headed the way it is due to them?


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Wheel of Time Statement on Land Claims

LAND CLAIM POLICY OF Wheel of Time

  • WoT is against all land claims(LC) and WoT does not recognize land claims to prevent settling, growth, or harvesting anywhere in Illyriad.
  • We do respect and agree to the 10sq rule and parked armies but not land claiming whole regions.  
  • If LC's insists land claiming, you will be in conflict with WoT and our players who will settle and or settled in your Land Claim. 
  • If LC's insists on land claiming we will insist you move any LC cities into your "region". We won't accept cities of LC near where WoT resides and harvests and will target them for removal.
  • WoT members will settle where they wish as long as not in 10sq's of other players cities.
  • WoT will defend our players from any hostile action.
  • WoT will never agree to pay any type of tax or agreement to settle in any region. WoT feels that is extortion.
  • If LC's spreads land claims to those regions not already stated, now and in the future will be met with equal force to stop the spread of Land Claims that in effect closes off parts to Wot members and/or Illyriad.


Edited by Diva - 08 Jul 2015 at 01:28
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LAND CLAIM POLICY OF GREY..........Do what you want, we don't care either way.
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Originally posted by Diva Diva wrote:

  • If LC's insists on land claiming we will insist you move any LC cities into your "region". We won't accept cities of LC near where WoT resides and harvests and will target them for removal.

Thank you for posting your land claim policy, Diva! This is a great policy and should really further enrich the land claim experiment in the Broken Lands. 

For the point above, can you clarify the area that constitutes "where WoT resides and harvests?" The way you've currently described this is unclear, and players in land claiming alliances need to have exact boundaries so as to avoid conflict by settling in an area too close to your no-land-claimers-allowed claim.

Thanks! 

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There is no stretching out to assume new boundaries by LC's placing cities near WOT. If WOT is not allowed it's free access without hostilities INSIDE a land claim, then expect the same near any WOT player.

LC's have marked their territory. We don't feel they should have both when near WOT players/or WOT clusters.


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Jejune, we mean this in a case-by-case basis.  Just a VERY hypothetical example--
(1) HYPOTHETICALLY, SIN claims Fellandire, and despite WoT having cities on the border / a few squares within, states we don't have the right to harvest or expand around those cities.
(2) HYPOTHETICALLY, WoT has a large cluster of cities (say 45) spread around Farshards outside of the SIN claim. However SIN has 5 cities mixed into this area, which they plan of leaving there and using to harvest aggressively.  

We would be AGAINST this arrangement.  We are against LC in general, but especially if you are going to kick us out of an area and tell us not to harvest there, but then leave cities of your own outside of your claim and harvest amongst us.  Certainly we don't mind random people settling within our loose clusters, and harvesting as they see fit as friendly neighbors.  But if you are going to restrict our livelihood, crafting, hunting and trade, we will feel free to do the same in return.

Now all of this is quite hypothetical, we don't have clusters of cities next to SIN and SIN doesn't have cities amongst our cluster stealing our earth salts ;)

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