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well sis left and went to harm....komp left and went to V-crow....duro just lost support...we tried a merger with WOT...one leader before was chased out of game...the alliance became full of permasats ......yes I agree that in a way you personally didn't support land claims and your leadership enhanced dark empires failure in establishing and maintaining ours....I would also like to point out that successful alliances are made up of players and not just leaders complete control ....I hate to say this but it appears that dark leadership was not playing the same strategy as dark membership which is one reason that it doesn't exist any more but definitely dark empire played land claim strategy....i was wondering if dark shade are all on the same page...do other members care to respond?
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Would be nice to hear from Sisren w.r.t. these claims. Evil Smile
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You guys crack me up. Try to read my words for a change.
1) I never supported any land claim and until Jejune yesterday posted the link to that old thread was not even aware of Dark's past land claim. It was a long time ago and most if not all of the players who made that land claim do not play anymore. They certainly are not part of Dark Shade leadership.
2) What we did in the Coalition-Consone war, in which I was part of Dark's leadership, was not related to land claims. It was war and KP knows much more than me why that war started. I was just the military leader in that war and when Dark's political leader at the time and my friend (Sisren) told me to go to war, I went.
We can continue this dance until we tire oursleves, but you won't find anything in my past that supports land claims.
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Originally posted by KillerPoodle KillerPoodle wrote:

It's always fun watching Haly tie himself in knots trying to reconcile his current political position of the day with his previous and opposite one...  :)
For those not following along...
Originally posted by Halcyon Halcyon wrote:

I will do my utmost to place our towns in these locations, but I will not deny it to others by a proclamation, nor will I prey on those not my own if they are quick or smart enough to get there before me.
...unless...
Originally posted by Halcyon Halcyon wrote:

We did push Vic and EE out of Western Realms, but that was becuase they were the closest and easiest targets and we did not want enemies in our midst.
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It's always fun watching Haly tie himself in knots trying to reconcile his current political position of the day with his previous and opposite one...  :)
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I think its important to bring up old play to show the miss opportunties the devs made so they don't continue their hand off approach but adjust the game functions to enhance the playing style wanted by the people that are actually playing the game instead of creating a playing environment that encourages a wait and see many of our fellow members are playing...so let's keep this exchange going and please others explain to others what complex strategies we use while playing this game and hopefully the devs take notice and stop adding fluff content and add factors to encourage game play...alliance land claim advantages would be a good start...I will continue to add past information exposing my past experience of them in the past and why they failed to devs having dated functions....again most alliances have secret land claims.....certain game functions just ruinned this strategy which encouraged inactive play
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Originally posted by Halcyon Halcyon wrote:

Originally posted by Thorgrim Thorgrim wrote:

Originally posted by twilights twilights wrote:

I realize it was many years ago and I was only a kid but as I remember on several ocassions and Myr being only one example we enforced the land claim area and in fact basically siege a former leader out of the game...as I remember both the alliance soon and WOT gave their blessing and were deemed off limits to our very aggressive play....that dark used the soup war as an excuse to push out both Vic and EE from our joint land claim. I will agree that current leadership were in growth stages but all were large enough accounts to actively support the western land claim. My question is why the change to be against plus we must all admit that the land claim was fun and exciting play. personally I believe that wide spread permasat and the laughable 90 day deletion rule ruined the early land claim strategy and doomed it until recent changes...so many accounts just sat and the game went out of whack with inactivity and wait for the next tournament play style instead of constant competitive play...winks at devs m

That proves my point.

Thank you for being open, Twi :)

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2. this does not mean that she is always right.

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3. During the Coalition-Consone war I already was the military leader of Dark so I can tell you outright that land claims had nothing to do with Dark's motives to take part in the war, or directed our strategy during this war. We did push Vic and EE out of Western Realms, but that was becuase they were the closest and easiest targets and we did not want enemies in our midst.
personally, I was always against land claims and the current conflict did not change my mind. There are certain strategic locations on the map on which I want to see only my own alliance or at least our allies in other alliances. I will do my utmost to place our towns in these locations, but I will not deny it to others by a proclamation, nor will I prey on those not my own if they are quick or smart enough to get there before me.

I guess you forgot where DARK made a vicious land claim, threatening to kill all cities within it. I have no problem with that, but it leaves you saying our small land claim is bad look silly on you.


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halc I think your a little cloudy in your memory...remember you only had partial military leadership in that war and it was fought by us to force others from our land claim...now that dark is gone much to my disappointment even the second major war was fought in a way to force cities from the land claim area and to create a buffer around us to provide security....if in fact you were not on board with this policy others were and it explains why so many other leaders fled dark empire to other alliances...the reason I am exposing this information is to show others that anti claimers are just playing the game to their advantage and secretly have their own land claims established...they just look upon sin as a threat and are trying to diminish their expansion of power...interesting play and I totally support it...new lands same play
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Twi brought up the Consone war, though she called it "Soup".
Your 2nd sentence is false. There were no threats before the war and during the war there was nothing but war actions. You can call them a "clean up", but you have no access to the motivation of our leadership at that time.
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Why do you bring in Consone war stuff?

DARK threats had been hanging all along. The Consone war was just an excuse for DARK to clean up.
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