City Subjugation

Hadus wrote: Oh, I guess my system was just misleading. I was trying NOT to make it unprofitable, while posing an alternative that does not require the destruction of cities.

Again is there really a purpose to it? I have stated this a number of times as have others and it really boils down to making it profitable. Everything the idea brings to the table can be dealt with by means that already exists.

Lets use an example... You and I fight and lets say you won. Lets say said issue was over the placement of my city to add a few elements to it.

Subjugation is designed so you don't have to take out the city... so instead you get X resources from it.

So in our agreement perhaps the payment was X gold and Y advanced resources. At this point we fulfilled what you would have achieved from subjugation without the need of a siege.

The alternative could be that because it was a land dispute as mostly mentioned in this thread it leaves my town demolished.

Subjugation being the alternative being option 3 if added... it has no additional function and doesn't add anything to the game. If you can do it through a demand of X gold and Y resources how does it actually differ? So it likely means that it will be more a source of income... subjugate as many as you can and your empire will be far stronger... however you wanted to add another element to it like a time table (to keep it a temporary thing). How does this benefit the player compared to just demanding the resources?

So unless you can explain how it differs at all or adds an actual new element to the game I can see it as nothing more than simply making war profitable in the game.

The choice to lose a town or pay the demands belongs to the player. Subjugating their city to take resources by force because "its best for them" doesn't really make sense to me. If they were willing to part with the resources to save their town, they would do so. It is not a matter of giving them a way out of a siege (that already exists but is sometimes rejected), instead this is about profitable conquest.

why not make raid a little more damaging, but i would also add random failure with attacker or defender losing all troops involved, this would add alot more strategy, hopefully the new magic adds spells that kill troops within the castle, in other games i have played this makes even the most powerful players think twice about bullying, but some changes must be made to make conflict  more part of the game than just verbal exchanges

I'm not too worried about it being very expensive. Although I'd still consider this profitable since the demands could be enforced without earth-scorching tactics; Costing me extra resources to do that is not a problem.

Something similar exists in... I think it was Civ Call to Power.  You can do diplomatic attacks that divert some research and resources from their town to yours.