City Subjugation

Innoble wrote: I see you guys mostly arguing about the workings of the possible change, but I am still not convinced the majority of the players actually wants a change to the "pvp" part of Illy. One of the things that makes this game unique is that pvp is not a "sporty" "gimmicky" "fun" thing to do. It is a last resort tool of life and death. Conflict does happen, cities do get destroyed, but only rarely and only when people aren't smart enough to work it out diplomatically. Right now you only siege someone when you REALLY don't like them. There is a serious amount of e-hate required. When you dislike someone this much, you don't care about whether it is profitable or not to attack them. You just do it. If this game will start to have features which make it profitable to hit towns and such, the game will change in such a way that it will become more similar to other games out there, by losing that which makes it unique. People will pvp just because they can. Bully their neighbours into getting their way, because there is no (or less) net-cost involved. This is how other games work. Now I have played games like this and I have liked them, so I would probably be ok with it. I also know many of the current players would *not* like those games. Please keep in mind that if you are a pvp-oriënted player, you are not a majority in Illyriad. I know there are quite a few pvp-type players that are frustrated with Illy because of the way it now works (war-wise) and this is why there is so much positive response in this thread, but perhaps if we did a widespread poll and give the rest of the players a reason to respond, it would go a different way.

I see you guys mostly arguing about the workings of the possible change, but I am still not convinced the majority of the players actually wants a change to the "pvp" part of Illy. One of the things that makes this game unique is that pvp is not a "sporty" "gimmicky" "fun" thing to do. It is a last resort tool of life and death.

Conflict does happen, cities do get destroyed, but only rarely and only when people aren't smart enough to work it out diplomatically. Right now you only siege someone when you REALLY don't like them. There is a serious amount of e-hate required. When you dislike someone this much, you don't care about whether it is profitable or not to attack them. You just do it.

If this game will start to have features which make it profitable to hit towns and such, the game will change in such a way that it will become more similar to other games out there, by losing that which makes it unique. People will pvp just because they can. Bully their neighbours into getting their way, because there is no (or less) net-cost involved. This is how other games work.

Now I have played games like this and I have liked them, so I would probably be ok with it. I also know many of the current players would *not* like those games. Please keep in mind that if you are a pvp-oriënted player, you are not a majority in Illyriad.

I know there are quite a few pvp-type players that are frustrated with Illy because of the way it now works (war-wise) and this is why there is so much positive response in this thread, but perhaps if we did a widespread poll and give the rest of the players a reason to respond, it would go a different way.

Hadus wrote: I really do like this idea.   I wonder: where will the resources go? If you can force res and taxes from the subjugated city, will it just go to the city whose forces have subjugated it?   I think one option is that the city produces res and gold normally, but you gain control of the cities caravans and can send goods to your own cities. Thus capturing and subjugating a trade city is more valuable profit-wise since you will have tons of caravans capable to exporting, while taking over a military city would be benefitial because it prevents that city from producing troops.   Also, if you send thieves into a city you have subjugated, then automatically succeed, giving you another option for taking res from the city.   Nice idea though.

I don't think there should be a magic or sov. requirement. This is strictly a military maneuver. 

GNU - you try being attacked by 5 peasants with pitchforks.. May the odds be ever in your favour!

Edited by Gaia Nutella Tulips - 27 Aug 2012 at 21:49