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Sisren 
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 Posted: 26 Sep 2012 at 01:32 |
Terms of Surrender should not be confused with a peace treaty or armistice. Surrender does not imply peace, rather in many cases it implies the opposite.
To, after several weeks and into months after accepting one surrenders, to wait while the person surrendered to is busy elsewhere, simply say 'I am not doing this' will have repercussions for your current and future dealings.
You will be viewed as someone that will not keep their word.
We have but a few currencies here - integrity, trust, and competence. Are you enriching yourself in doing this?
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ES2
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Posted: 26 Sep 2012 at 01:24 |
 Rill wrote:
Building materials, my butt. I think fromfrak should be required to give Gemley one of her towns. Maybe that would make her a little more cautious about sieging people. |
Well Gemley asked me if he would receive payment for any damage done to his city before Fromfrak's messenger arrives to recall the siege. I told him that I was going to(well actually I said I was planning on sending him millions in gold), to which he said thanks. I then added after he said thanks that I had a city with a built up marketplace so i could help rebuild his town, thus building materials.
Gemley didn't comment with a "no, more than gold will be needed", he replied with a "thanks" therefor the millions of gold and the added on building resources met his approval.
Edited by ES2 - 26 Sep 2012 at 01:26
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Eternal Fire
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ES2
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Posted: 26 Sep 2012 at 01:19 |
Rill wrote:
TLR does this every time they back down in a fight. They promise no more sieges, they promise to withdraw sieges, then they keep sieging. If it happens once, it's understandable. If it happens EVERY TIME over a long series of engagements, it's a strategy. |
I'd rather have TLR armies holding mines then attacking someone to be honest, so no it's not a goal of TLR though you are entitled to think whatever you like.
I'm going to try and think what other instances this happened in, TLR has been around for almost a year so no doubt I will be a little hazy on some things.
TLR vs HEAT, war lasted three days, we gave HEAT the right to lead themselves after the war had been going on for three days, shortly thereafter the HEAT leaders were suspended for some reason and then I captured the alliance capital which was the capital of one of the suspended players, it's still owned by one of my accounts under the name The Real Liberation (a player on the HEAT alliance name when it was captured), although that account is not in TLR.
uhh
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TRO VS TLR, war lasted a few weeks, many feints, so irritating. TLR routed a few TRO towns, war ended w/ TRO's surrender. Still had a few sieges inbound to TRO towns, TRO still had attacks inbound to TLR (one of the things of being two weeks away via siege and siege fient).
uhh
Aesir VS TLR (then friends)
I cant speak for TLR's friends and their sieges still occurring after peace was made, I can say almost all of TLR's forces were spent dying in our towns, we even lost our first town ever, Cheese Enchilada. Sadness
uhhh
Fromfrak VS Gemley,
Peace after a very heavy dispute after it was placed in GC by the defenders for some reason, Fromfrak hasn't been online since. Gemley promised goodies.
Edited by ES2 - 26 Sep 2012 at 01:25
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Eternal Fire
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Rill
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Posted: 26 Sep 2012 at 01:12 |
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Building materials, my butt. I think fromfrak should be required to give Gemley one of her towns. Maybe that would make her a little more cautious about sieging people.
Edited by Rill - 26 Sep 2012 at 01:13
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Rill
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Posted: 26 Sep 2012 at 01:10 |
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TLR does this every time they back down in a fight. They promise no more sieges, they promise to withdraw sieges, then they keep sieging. If it happens once, it's understandable. If it happens EVERY TIME over a long series of engagements, it's a strategy.
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ES2
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Posted: 26 Sep 2012 at 01:08 |
Rill wrote:
Oh, by all means, try to start something with TRO. You broke the treaty -- if you want to start another war, that's on you. But carry out your promise and stop the siege first. |
I do not wish to start something with TRO, I am simple making sure that he understands he accepted the Terms of his alliances Surrender, it is not my fault he did not check to see if the Terms of his alliances Surrender would be void if The Long Road attacked anything wearing The Red Order tag.
I have promised Mona Lisa, (eom) Harry and Gemley that I am doing everything in my power to cease the siege on Gemley the Dwarf [TOR]. I have promised Gemley I would help rebuild his damaged city and pay him a few million in gold, I have promised Harry and Mona that while I do not have sitting access to FromFrak[TLR] who has the siege out against Gemley, that messages have been sent to her to recall her siege against Gemley.
Edited by ES2 - 26 Sep 2012 at 01:09
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Eternal Fire
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Rill
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Posted: 26 Sep 2012 at 01:03 |
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Oh, by all means, try to start something with TRO. You broke the treaty -- if you want to start another war, that's on you. But carry out your promise and stop the siege first.
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ES2
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Posted: 26 Sep 2012 at 00:59 |
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Actually Rill, when the issue with The Old Republic ceases I intend on asking thordor if he will fulfill the remaining terms he has yet to fulfill. He has announced in global chat that he doesn't intend to see the terms remaining through, regardless if he accepted the terms and while I appreciate him waiting till the dispute with TOR to end, I do intend on seeing this issue with the TRO ToS through as well.
Edited by ES2 - 26 Sep 2012 at 01:01
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Rill
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Posted: 26 Sep 2012 at 00:55 |
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This topic currently has no topic, since Thor took it down. I'm sure when he feels like raising the issue again, he will post another topic. Or, if he is wise, he will just let the extensive discussion of this issue on other topics speak for him and drop the issue entirely. At any rate, I don't want EF to be distracted from the actual in-game problem of a small town being hit by 40 siege engines that TLR has promised to withdraw.
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Thordor
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Posted: 26 Sep 2012 at 00:55 |
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Rill asked me to remove it as a personal favour. It wasn't my intention to sway anyone's opinion of the TLR - TOR conflict. If I've at all done that I'm sorry, All I wish to do is convey the decision of the T.R.O high council, which is completely unrelated to all current diplomatic issues involving TLR and various other alliances.
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