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GM Luna
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Community Manager
Joined: 22 Oct 2011
Location: Illyriad
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Topic: Bring Back the 'Bitter Sea' Posted: 14 Feb 2013 at 15:30 |
The "Bitter Sea" was a sanctioned area for insults and trolling (made back when the GMs didn't have time to actively moderate and there was no community manager) and nothing more. I'm not going to put it back, because there is no place for insults and trolling on these forums. Requesting a place to do so is quite frankly ridiculous.
The rules exist here for a reason.
You are all welcome to respectfully debate without using personal insults with the forums the way they are now. If you think you are capable of doing so, you are welcome to prove it to me in your posts.
Any further comments or questions about this can be sent to me in PM.
Luna
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GM Luna | Illyriad Community Manager | community@illyriad.co.uk
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Beecks
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Joined: 03 Apr 2012
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Points: 194
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Posted: 14 Feb 2013 at 12:59 |
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I agree with Belargyle. If the rants were separated from the meat of the politics forum (declarations, policy explanations) it would be easier to shift through the forums to find the relevant stuff.
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twilights
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Posted: 14 Feb 2013 at 12:41 |
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alot of people play these games for the give and take of the verbal communication..quit looking at me, i play cause i am under house arrest and i cant find my bf to bother...the exchanges are kindof fun as long as they dont get personal and become sick mind games and they give our mother luna alot to do...........hugs luna, i will try to behave, hides my bad stuff in my purse
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Tordenkaffen
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Posted: 14 Feb 2013 at 11:52 |
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I agree with Belargyle, restraining the communitys communication does not help the game at all, rants are to be expected in a game such as this.
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belargyle
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Posted: 14 Feb 2013 at 11:46 |
Ossian wrote:
Bringing back the Bitter Sea is one way to deal with increasing tendency of players ( who include leaders of alliances) to derail threads by resorting to personalised attacks, flaming and trolling.
Another is for the mods and GM's to take a more rigourous approach and suspend the offending players ingame and forum accounts irregardless of who that player may be or their apparent popularity in the game.
I don't have any stats to bear this out, but it seems to me that Illyriad may be attracting players who view it as a "family safe" environment and that more and more parents and children are joining to play this game as a family unit. Parents will be expecting the Devs, GM's to maintain control of the boards .
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And that is precisely my point. The same stuff that is going on now, was the same stuff going on back then.. the only distinction is that it is more monitored and that is good. My main point is not about dealing with increasing tendency of players.. this has 'always' been a constant but it was not always done in the same location. In my opinion, there needs to be some kind of a divide for this aspect of the forum to have any real value and usability. Thus having one section designated more for rants and/or opinions, as well as another for more issues or news (whether individual or alliance based) would help the information disseminated to go to said areas with at least a general expectation of what will be there. Currently I know many who don't even visit here much anymore (if at all) since the majority of the topics either are or come back to the current War event. Again, nothing wrong with these kinds of threads but trying to find threads to yield other current events are getting less and less as fewer people visit here. This USED to be the place to set forth you alliance policies, claims, ect.. and thus coming here was fairly important to keep abreast of current happenings in allainces, without having to visit each alliance individually. It also encouraged Illy players to become more involved in understanding and learning about other alliances and even becoming involved in the various aspects of many of the unique threads. Anyway.. again, my nickles worth (for what it's worth)
Edited by belargyle - 14 Feb 2013 at 11:48
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Kale
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Posted: 14 Feb 2013 at 10:42 |
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I agree. Bringing it back would be a Good Thing.
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bansisdead
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Posted: 14 Feb 2013 at 10:23 |
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I think the "personalised attacks, flaming and trolling." were probably the problem with bitter sea. As I said covering legal bases.
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Ossian
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Posted: 14 Feb 2013 at 10:06 |
Bringing back the Bitter Sea is one way to deal with increasing tendency of players ( who include leaders of alliances) to derail threads by resorting to personalised attacks, flaming and trolling.
Another is for the mods and GM's to take a more rigourous approach and suspend the offending players ingame and forum accounts irregardless of who that player may be or their apparent popularity in the game.
I don't have any stats to bear this out, but it seems to me that Illyriad may be attracting players who view it as a "family safe" environment and that more and more parents and children are joining to play this game as a family unit. Parents will be expecting the Devs, GM's to maintain control of the boards .
Edited by Ossian - 14 Feb 2013 at 10:09
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bansisdead
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Posted: 14 Feb 2013 at 09:53 |
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British law allows the right to expression (under article 10 of the Human Rights Act 1998) but then puts conditions on that ie you cannot use 'hate' speech too incite violence, defamation and invasion of privacy. Im not sure what the content was like in bitter sea forum as I started just after it was closed down, but Im sure Illyriad is just covering its legal requirements under the rather grey area of British/EU/UN law.
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belargyle
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Posted: 14 Feb 2013 at 09:11 |
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I agree.. maybe call it.. The Raging Sea.. or the White Squall :)
But I understand completely about legal issues, so for me, I think it should be equally monitored (due to the fact it can get heated) to keep down such things as name calling, excessive vitrol, ect... These are without a doubt important issues to watch for and such actions need to be curbed as they arise. I know some don't like it, but hey, we are guests here and it IS their playground, we just get to play in their sandbox.
Edited by belargyle - 14 Feb 2013 at 09:13
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