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    Posted: 03 Oct 2011 at 04:52
You're going to need to tell them your in-game name, Molg.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Oct 2011 at 04:47
Could I get 150k everything plz someone to get siege workshop to lv 17?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Sep 2011 at 14:30
Originally posted by Iduna Iduna wrote:

I never found begging a good thing, people tend to forget (especially the vets) how they had to struggle in the beginning. We never had help like the new players are getting these days. IMO it is creating an atmosphere in which new players can get their hands on whatever they need without having to do much for it....hence the creation of newbee alliances without proper experience and getting into wars with eachother.....just because they are fed the res they need whenever they hold their hands up.

Dont get me wrong, I support helping out new players but there are proper training alliances for same, if I ever catch a member of my alliance begging for resources in GC I would certainly slap him/her on the fingers. I think it makes an alliance look bad if they cannot provide for their own members......yes I do believe there are moments where there are no others online but thats where patience kicks in. 

This game is a slow start yes, and getting a bit of help never hurt anyone but recently it seems that this new player help has become more like a must then a favour.

just ventilating here, I have done same on GC when I see this spiraling out of control.

a lot might not agree, but the new player base has to be carefully handled and guided, not let loose with unlimited res at hand without having the sweat, blood and tears put into it like most of us had to in the beginning. The getting of res clouds the carefull use of same because they can get more whenever they want.





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Edit: put a ! instead of a 1


Edited by Kurfist - 16 Sep 2011 at 14:30
Patience is a virtue, resource giving is a sin
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Sep 2011 at 17:51
It works! =D
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Sep 2011 at 14:29
For all your effort you put into spamming my mailbox; Brids, I have given you your just reward. :P
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Sep 2011 at 13:20
Originally posted by Iduna Iduna wrote:

he/she


Please no slash speak... >.<

Originally posted by <Squill> <Squill> wrote:

  Don't ask for resources from me with in-game-messages unless you know me or you are in my alliance.   


Well now that you've said that I'm going to start begging you for stuff via in-game mail...


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Sep 2011 at 06:03
  Don't ask for resources from me with in-game-messages unless you know me or you are in my alliance.   

Edited by <Squill> - 10 Sep 2011 at 06:05
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Sep 2011 at 05:57

100k storage capacity for a noob is just fail...  all jokes aside, i do not send advance res to new players...  usually it's 1 or 2k each and some books. I also won't send to a player with over 200-300 pop .. i think at that point they should already be well on their way. 

that said, I think some players make it their game to send assistance to other players.  Who they decide to send assistance to should really be no ones concern but the two players. They perhaps have their own agenda. I can immediately think of 3 reasons one might do this.

  1. This is the policy of some groups, to assist other newer players without regard to status or alliance.  For example, this is the policy of Dwarven Druids (any Dwarf can ask the Arch-Druid in their region for assistance. Alliance does not matter).
  2. Some alliances might give resources as gratuity with a view toward politics and public opinion. What better way to bind a smaller group to your own?
  3. Older groups may be conducting a war-by-proxy. If a newer group is engaging war and being supplied by an older group then this would be my first supposition.

What might appear on the face to be over-generosity may actually be intricate strategy on the part of a player or group of players.  No one can guess another's motive for giving a gift and in the end, it is their prerogative and no one else's to dictate. - M.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Sep 2011 at 16:27
From my guide:

3) Visit Global Chat (GC). Say hi. Most likely, veterans will be watching and recognize you as a new player. Many vets routinely send new players resources and goods with no expectations - it's just being nice and welcoming to new players to the Illy community.

4) If you visit GC and you see inbound caravans, you should upgrade your Storehouse to increase the amount of basic resources you can receive. Resources that exceed your storage capacity are lost forever - poof. If that happens, do not worry. There will be more, just visit GC again.

Some have said that I advise new players to ask for resources.  Please note that all I advise is for new players to say Hi on GC.  No more than that.

My basic Welcome Wagon is 500 each: gold, basics, food.  Once I am better established I will include 50 books (1K RP).  I started doing this because I believe that 1) the tutorial rewards are much too light; 2) the initial inventory of supplies is much too light; 3) the early build phase takes much too long; and 4) for the foregoing reasons, most new players quit Illy before leaving player protection.

I rarely provide additional resources beyond my initial Welcome Wagon.  With others providing Welcome Wagons these days, I also do not send very many these days.

The begging and demanding resources is impolite at best.

I think providing new players with weapons is a mistake.  It encourages them to build a too small army too soon.  The tax support drags early production.  The small army is bait for slightly larger players to kill and earn XP.  If they don't build an army, then the goods are an invitation to thieves.

The goal of all us that try to help newbs should be to "teach them to fish."  We should not overwhelm the newbs with resources so that they never develop their internal economy.  I have encountered many newbs that have huge (100K) storage capacity but only produce 100/hr internally.  This is NOT good for the newb.

A newb should not need a storehouse over level 7.  That storage is more than adequate to handle resources for making a level 3 Mage Tower and developing internal resource production.  Beyond that the newb should strive for self-sufficiency.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Sep 2011 at 12:21
Im sorry if I was not clear enough, the thing that bothers me most is players IN an alliance asking on GC for resources. If the alliance he/she is in cannot provide for the player he/she should really reconsider the alliance he/she is in.
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