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Points: 186 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Sep 2011 at 18:03
On balance Tordenkaffen's suggestion is a fair and honourable.

I strongly disagree with those alliance leaders who argue that the city of an inactive player is their property because they may have gifted resources to it. The bottom line here is that if as a leader you cannot keep your members active and interested then you are not doing a very good job.

There is no justification in hanging on to inactive accounts in order to maintain an advantage. It is lazy play and leads to the temptation of using multiple accounts.

I support Tordenkaffen's suggestion  except that, like Llyorn of Jaensch, I believe that the time period for deletion should be much shorter - say 28 days.





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Originally posted by Brids17 Brids17 wrote:

I don't think there's as many inactives in alliances as you think Tord. I'm not going to go through every alliance and check but I don't think it's a game killer. It may give a slight appearance of an alliance being larger than what it is but do you really thing there would be more action even if you saw that some alliance was lower pop than what it appears?


Yes I do.
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Elaborating on the previous comment  - several alliances have already implemented special ranks for their inactives - this was the case with MCrow who a few months ago had 6-7 "Lost Birds" listed on their roster. I was interested since Zek79 was placed very close to my capital and had shown no sign of activity for more than 6 months (give or take a month), and he was not demoted to the rank of lost bird until I made contact with MCrow (ScottFitz) and inquired about activity.
I have a strong feeling that many alliances - not just MCrow and Crow which have been the obvious examples so far -  have several large dormant accounts lying around that falsely inflate their numbers and visual strength and await a newcoming member to take over the larger dormant cities.

If you dont believe me, look at the large alliances yourself - Look for large players with unusually low ranks - or better yet, take a screen shot and compare the member's growth over 14 days.

This kind of metagaming opportunism will wreck Illyriad because it will enshroud the game in a stalemate, and instead breed more trolls to vent their frustration on the forum.


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Points: 1483 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Sep 2011 at 18:48
I don't think so. The community seems to look down on war, especially the ones starting it. If an alliance is smaller than it appears to be that's great and all but attacking that alliance will still probably bring down the wrath of the community onto you. I think a change within the community itself needs to happen before anything done to the game will encourage fighting.

That said, I checked around half of H? members and I only found one inactive. Now while that's only one alliance and maybe the half I didn't check were the inactive ones, mCrow's inactive situation isn't too bad either. I don't think any alliance on the main page is going to drop so much in pop that it would severely change their placement or how people felt about war with them. This may effect smaller alliances more because one player can potentially mean 1/4 the alliance population but I still don't think it would be game changing.


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Brids - your diminishing the problem does not dissuade me the least - its just excuses,excuses,excuses and you present no good/meaningful reason why they should stay. 

I propose that if there are inactives they should not be sheltered indefinately but rather be cast out to present a genuine image of the alliances actual strength - what part of that is it that you do not understand? Why should inactives have an alliance? Who would it justifiably benefit?

Why do people only seem to have sloppy excuses that only suggests they themselves were counting on taking the easy road - its getting very tiresome.
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Points: 821 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Sep 2011 at 19:02
Originally posted by Brids17 Brids17 wrote:

I don't think so. The community seems to look down on war,


Are you kidding me????? The only reason wars never come into fruition is because alliances are quick to back each other up meaning that any skirmish between two hotheads usually escalate into a worldwar if there is to be any war at all.

Your reasoning is completely absent to say it in a nice way.

If alliances would have to depend on their active members for war and not the intimidation factor of their size, war would me much more likely to erupt between rival alliances.

All this said, war neednt be the reson behind implementing this - having the larger alliances shed their inactives may incense smaller alliances to compete more fiercely for a higher ranking - when they dont have to build and exceed large high pop dead accounts to be in the running.


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Originally posted by Tordenkaffen Tordenkaffen wrote:

Originally posted by Brids17 Brids17 wrote:

I don't think so. The community seems to look down on war,


Are you kidding me????? The only reason wars never come into fruition is because alliances are quick to back each other up meaning that any skirmish between two hotheads usually escalate into a worldwar if there is to be any war at all.

Your reasoning is completely absent to say it in a nice way.

If alliances would have to depend on their active members for war and not the intimidation factor of their size, war would me much more likely to erupt between rival alliances.


and i personally would not want to see that.
cause of the nature of war itself its better to offer mutual annihilation to both.
in this way, war will not be a good option for anyone.
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Points: 821 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Sep 2011 at 19:16
BullshXt - now youre all the major pacifists of Illyriad cause it serves your own purposes - that is weak and pathetic - and unbelivably decadent and corrupt seeing as Kilotov openly stated that taking over inactive account cities was a frequent method for his alliaces (Dlords) way to stay on top.


http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/crow-member-hotattack_topic2291_page2.html



Edited by Tordenkaffen - 03 Sep 2011 at 19:20
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Originally posted by Tordenkaffen Tordenkaffen wrote:

BullshXt - now youre all the major pacifists of Illyriad cause it serves your own purposes - that is weak and pathetic - and unbelivably decadent and corrupt seeing as Kilotov openly stated that taking over inactive accounts was a frequent method for his alliaces (Dlords) way to stay on top.

http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/crow-member-hotattack_topic2291_page2.html



of course we recycle our inactive that are on our homeland...*facepalm*
i lol at your attempt to make it sound scandalous... its not.
its preservation of wealth and it ensures prosperity to the newcomers.


btw, you lost that argument whit ander Tongue


Edited by Kilotov of DokGthung - 03 Sep 2011 at 19:24
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In other words, you are using a (by now)well known loophole to turboboost you newcoming members, effectively leaving the original game design obsolete and insisting that you have the freedom to do this in private.

Why would anyone join Illyriad if exploitation, (skipping the hard part of the game), of this kind is so readily accepted.

Again I think you are hurting Illyriad deliberately, and should this problem not be resolved in a meaningful fashion then it would truly be a gigantic waste of time to play for anyone but the exploiters themselves.

Sorry I cant share your amusement, but your idiocy is a death sentence to this game.

PS. Ander - much like yourself has been counting on taking the shortcut in the game - I cant waste all my life debating the same lame excuses over and over.


Edited by Tordenkaffen - 03 Sep 2011 at 19:31
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