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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Aug 2010 at 17:11
Originally posted by xifris xifris wrote:

LOL, because you are an orc! And you can't understand, that me and my people, live in the woods, and repects the way of the nature laws. You only pillage all you can, and destroys our woods and our life. You don't know all the time and energy employed to create anything.  
 
And whats wrong with that?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Aug 2010 at 17:34
Originally posted by xifris xifris wrote:

LOL, because you are an orc! And you can't understand, that me and my people, live in the woods, and repects the way of the nature laws. You only pillage all you can, and destroys our woods and our life. You don't know all the time and energy employed to create anything.  


+1 Reason to start a few hundred lumberyards with the clear cut policy.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Aug 2010 at 16:19
I totally agree with your ideas about the elves,from what i,ve learnt about them they see themselves as the the first race and in so all others are inferiour and also in there own race they have  social classes  to seperate them from each other.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Aug 2010 at 22:57
From what I know about elves...
They are willing to start wars for little to no reason (oh, he looked at our tree!).
They are relatively worthless in combat ( 120 elves got beaten by a dozen humans hoho).
When they do actually win in combat, they prefer to eat the corpses of the enemy. This rarely happens because the elves are sooo bad in combat. (They might be using wooden swords or something. Or flower blades).
I am not amused.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Aug 2010 at 03:44
ok, i must say that all my "knowledge" comes from JRRT. but here're my highligths

note the "

- Elves DO consider themselves the most important sons of the creation. they are in fact the first and more powerfull race of all, whereas their "inhability" to die should be their worst attribute.

- Elves are indeed racist in their way, and mostly on middle-earth. this is very much induced by the restriction of bondage between elves and men, which is imposed from illuvatar himself *ejem*

-elves are as a matter of fact very aggresive and bloodthirsty, as the first and most savage wars where fought between elves themselves. 

-elves tend to reproduce very very very little, and this is very closely related for their lack-of-dying thing. this also tends to some kind of elitism where hierarchies are more important. (big branched family trees tend to loose cohesion)

    i want to stop a second in this one for a sidenote: i've read of immortal elves with 1 or 2 sons/daugthers.
something is *odd* there. really. 

because, if you think about it, being immortal totally changes things. you wouldn't care if you cannot feed them, or bathe them or take care of them because hey! they won't just die easily, and they ll mostly live on bark if trained properly. 

so, they could have like tons of kids. statistically, it would happen sooner or later.

but no. 2 kids in 5000 years.

it's not that they would all be gay because you would totally go either way sooner or later. (500 years. think about it. No, don't rant. 500 long long years.)

       and in the times you think about the opposite sex, you should at least score some kids. I mean. if i lived for 1000 years, i would have at least 100 kids 

(being that the number of times i got some. that's a great number, right?? yes? i'm the fonz, yes?)



sooo ANYWAY, elves would tend to be facist, with some similarity for the Isaac Asimov's spacers.

i'd like to have the Illyriad elves to be orgiastic creatures of the woood that would have anyone with a tongue. 



*edit*

on a final note, i don't know if i would offend anyone with the gay joke because i don't know how sensitive is the theme in other countries. 

if that would be the case, please note that it's not even a gay joke, and it's REALLY not the point.

but just in case, excuse me for any offensiveness of the comment. not the intention. 




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Aug 2010 at 05:00
i would also suggest you read the Silmarillion. While TSR and others have painted one picture of elves Tolkein has quite another. A blend of it all may give more insight as to where you wish to go.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Aug 2010 at 12:51

Well I think that all Elves, Humans, Orc and Dwarven are rasist since there really is races in Illyriad. They all prefer their own which is natural. 

Maybe elven do think they are superior to other races but are friendly when in peace although tend to treat them bit like children like they are compared to long living elves. Which might feel unfair to some and especially annoy bearded Dwarves because of the beard thing. (people that look like children (no beard!) treat us like children)  But in war they are fanatic for their quest to defend good and protect their way of life in forest and other places.  

But I don't see elves to be fascistic since that would mean that they wish to conquer the world and only leave elves behind. Maybe dark elves would be so but not elves in general. In many fantasy books for example elves are fading away from the way of other races but still helping or peacefully co-existing with other good races (LOTR and Forgotten realms for example) 
 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Sep 2010 at 04:08
I have to say that the RP element of this game isn't going to be very effective anyway due that massive casualties all races recieve; a loss of 10000 troops isn't that big a deal for very large players which is fitting for an orcish player and to a slightly lesser extent for humans, however a loss that large should effectivley destroy a dwarven city and it would cripple an entire elven nation.
 
For RP to have any real meaning for elven and dwarven players which are both meant to be long lived and nimble (for the former) and increadibly tough (for the latter) all the current troops and diplomatic units should be replaced by forest sprites, nymphs, halflings, gnomes etc and the dwarven and elven units should be reserved for T3 units which are far more expensive and far superior to humans and orcs.
It is utterly unrealistic that a young elf would go to war without extensive training; speed would generally make a better swordsmen and with probbably atleast 2000 years of experience an "inexperienced" elven warrior would be far superior to all but the greatest hero's of a human or orcish nation.
 
Either that or the elven and dwarven races should be re-defined to be unique to the illyriad world
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Sep 2010 at 12:10
I agree that you should not take anything from fantasy worlds that does not fit to the game reality. In Illyriad Elves are not necessarily long lived for example. 

What  elves are in Illyriad is that they born from forests, are magically adept, are excellent  in archery and sufficient with their calvary. Light build and compensate lack of physical strength with better weaponry, magic, speed, skill and discipline. More defending than aggressive by nature.  

What could be incorporated is that generally elves like their beautiful things serenity, beautiful objects(like weaponry, buildings and everything) nature, horses and themselves.  Hate orcs for their ugliness and bad manners. Tolerate (regardless the lack of grace and beard )  Dwarven because of their sense of justice generally and because they can make beautiful things . Humans are bit like elves and alright because of that but not so good.. something inferior in beauty anyway. 
 
Elven society could be hierarchal with noble houses. Defensive and not so easy to aggravate  but unforgiving in blood feuds.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Sep 2010 at 06:18
Actually  have to admit that my idea of changing the current elven units to sprite etc was pretty bad.
However changing the current elven units to half elves would be possible.
It'd be much more believable if either.
Long ago the slow breeding elves mated with humans that were sensitive to the ways of nature, although still long lived and magical compared to humans the resulting offspring had greatly reduced lifespans and reduced magical prowess compared to their full blooded elven counterparts however they retained their elven natural agility and nature but tended to breed almost to the frquency of humans. As a result most elven nations are now lead by a very few true elves and mostly consist of these half elves.

Alternatively in illyriad the elven race is equally prolific as human or orcs and their "Long lives" would generally be equivelent to say 2 human lifetimes, or something simmilar.


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