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    Posted: 24 Aug 2010 at 06:08

Greetings all Lords and Ladies of Illyriad.
I've recently joined the Illyriad team and I've been tasked with helping the development of the Lore, Background, and History of Illyriad.
Now I have quite a few years experience as a fantasy reader, roleplayer, and, although unpublished, as a writer.
I have been pondering what direction to take the elves in. These directions are of course generally speaking, my proposals aren't to say that all alves are the same or even think the same, but more a stereotypical, overall description of the elves. These are all raw ideas and places of inspiration and nothing of it is in any way "set in stone".

Since gaming in TSR's Forgotten Realms and in Shadowrun I've come to love the idea of elves as a very elitist, racist, and at times, almost facist race. Its true that they love the idea of prancing around in their treeinfested woods or lollygagging through the landscape with their animals, and for some of them that's all they do. But a lot of them are dedicated to holding off the foreign invaders, ie. anyone cutting down as much as a single tree within 100 miles of their forests.
In the Forgotten realms the woodelves would shoot any man, usually hapless farmers, who's family had been involved in clearing forests to make room for farmlands, this being because the elves are longlived and remember vividly what happened 100 years ago while the "innocent" farmer has no, or very little clue as to why an arrow is suddenly protruding from his chest.
The high elves are usually secluded from the rest of the world and let very few foreigners in, even elves must in some cases ask for permission to come to their cities. And they all have a sense of being "purer" and better than the other races because they have been around the longest and understand nature instead of just pillaging it.
In the shadowrun world, the elves have taken over Ireland and have secret police to eliminate "enemies of the state" and most non-elves find them selves as second rate citizens, there's even a practice where if they leave Ireland for vacation or work, then when they try to get back to their country they find that the rules has been changed and that their citizenship have been revoked or is suspended. All in the name of ridding Ireland of the "unpure".

Ok, that was were my inspiration comes from. What I want to know is this:
If I take some or all of these very raw and very early ideas and suggest to the Illyriad team that they be incorporated into the game, as background and history, maybe even as behaviour for some of the elven npc faction not as a mandate that you play them this way will you "revolt", object or in any other way take offence?
I will of course also love any variations of these ideas or interely new ideas to be proposed by you, just don't ask me to read a ton of books Confused.

Sincerely Gromsh.


Edited by Gromsh - 24 Aug 2010 at 06:54
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Aug 2010 at 09:31
Deforestation ahoy!  Lets get it on you elves.

I approve of either one, preferably the tree hippie-ness.

I also approve of all other factions having a 'bad' outlook too.


Edited by Zangi - 24 Aug 2010 at 09:32
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Aug 2010 at 09:44
I totaly suport your opinion of the elves mentallity. That's the way I immagined them myself.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Aug 2010 at 10:32
Welcome to the team, Gromsh! (Your name sounds gnomish, by the way.)

Don't elves tend to be xenophobic, too? In my imagination, they behave similarly to how the Japanese resisted foreign culture before the arrival of Commodore Perry.

Also, will the lore affect game play in anyway? Just wondering. Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Aug 2010 at 11:13
I agree totally.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Aug 2010 at 12:38
LOL, because you are an orc! And you can't understand, that me and my people, live in the woods, and repects the way of the nature laws. You only pillage all you can, and destroys our woods and our life. You don't know all the time and energy employed to create anything.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Aug 2010 at 16:13
I support your vision 100%.  One theme in some fantasy fiction that I've read is the idea that there has to be a balance between good and evil and that even too much good is a bad thing.  This is the way I think of elves.  They are the epitome of good, but they take it to such a far extreme that it is a bad thing.  It makes them as you say racist and facist.  Anything less than meeting everyone of their very high standards makes you an infidel.  Even dark elves are the same way.  The are evil elitists, very racist and superior.  In my opinion you have a very good grasp of things.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Aug 2010 at 17:00
Thank you for the support guys. Let me answer your posts one at a time.

Zangi: It was never a question of one or the other. It'll probaply be something like when they aren't prancing around naked in the leaves or "fondeling" animals under the full moon, they'll be off killing "invaders", "defilers" of nature and anything else without pointy ears that's walking too close to their forests.

Aelfric: The name isn't gnomish in the slightest way wich will become apparent if or when the deities and pantheons for Illyriad is released (Yes I'm trying to name one of the gods Gromsh :-))
The lore, as we are talking about it right now, will only effect the gameplay to the extent that you (the players) bring it into the game. Also we are talking about the NPC factions being predisposed towards certain races, this will ofc also be incorporated into the lore.

Xifris: Well that's what happens when orcs gets bored and is probaply one of the reasons why elves has become such overprotective, facists bastards. LOL

Shrapnel: Well it seems that we are of one mind Shrapnel.

Keep the opinions and any ideas comming. This is the way we make Illyriad the best game around: by player involvement.

Sincerely Gromsh


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Aug 2010 at 10:28
I like the idea of elves thinking they're superior to the other races, but depending on the extent i can't see it fitting that a race that embraces all of nature would look down on the other sentient.
How aboutsomething like two varieties; high elves and forest elves, Forest elves will accept the other races as equals(almost) so long as they comply with their very ridged rules concerning nature, eg. druids
High elves are far more elitist and tend to live high on the peaks of mountains and whilst still look after their natural environment this is mostly due to aesthetic purposes and they're not advers to havily manipulating the environment with magical forces
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Aug 2010 at 16:14
Gromsh sounds orcish to me.  Perhaps a facet of the great one-eyed god Grummsh?
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