Approve of new log in?

Definitely disappointed with the pandering and lack of creativity. Chain mail bikinis were trite 30 years ago. Anyone else remember Dave Sim's Cerebus the Aardvark? The Red Sonja character pretty well cracked me up. And now she adorns the splash page.

Tordenkaffen wrote: Arent we being a little touchy - the artwork IS masterfull, cant really blame the artist that fantasy and sex are becoming increasingly intertwined. How would girls feel if their representation was an overweight female bowlegged orc with bad case of a rash? Shes attractive and Illyriad will never be anything like Evony (I did make the comparison in GC as a jest) but really, there are NO plausible grounds for making that connection. And I think its great theres a girl on the front page, otherwise you might assume we'd be a bunch of passive aggressive bullies obsessed with asserting our power over one another - females tend to mellow that out a bit. So really - I think doing anything else than applaud the artist great skills and rejoice that Illyriad is moving forward in development is just plain tweaky and snooty.

Createure wrote: 95% or more of the games I discover on the internet I will not create an account for - I make my judgements on these games in less than 20 seconds by glancing over their homepage. If I see a scantily clad elf I will assume this game is like many other games that I don't like that use the same cheap advertising trick to appeal to a certain demographic - and I won't create an account. The fact is I know Illy and it's dev team are better than that, I wouldn't have discovered that if I never made an account in the first place - am I a total exception here? I think not, looking at the poll. Now I'm not trying to flame or kick up a fuss or anything, and I think I've laid out quite a reasoned argument - but as you can read from above: I think first impressions are VERY important which is why I kinda think this is an important issue to discuss.

Mate at the end of the day you're moving into subjective territory. You're basing your opinion against others, which is an un-satisfyable position.  You're talking about scope, preference etc. Though in an  opinion sense you may be subjectivly correct. But the road that leads to is one of eternal debate characterised by an end result of nothing. Your opinion is valid, but it is only that, an opinion, and Illyriad needs more scope to operate than that.

PS. Damn you're a cluey gent. Shouldn't you be at the local battle-cruiser having a few too many Richard the thirds!

I Feel quite indifferent about the page but I agree with createure in one point its not good to look like other games more unique style would be better.
 

In all fairness my reply might have come off a bit harsh, but I experience many forms of extreme political correctnes in my daily life and even though much of it has good reason it really makes me tired - Like Llyorn says - its a molehill, not a mountain.

That said tho I have been drawing fantasy for well over 15 years, and nearly all the female elves I draw are scantily clad. Is this because I wish to objectify women? Is it because I think that sex is an essential part of fantasy? No. Its mainly because the traits I associate with elves are: civilised behaviour yet in symbiosis with nature (original natives of the land), meaning elves essentially would not wear much more than a loincloth unless there was a specific purpose for it. When I do cover certain areas on the female characters it is not because elves are bashful types imo (on the contrary), but simply that the nakedness would distract the beholder from the picture as a whole.
Secondly I think (and this is very subjective I know) that the most defining trait for elves is grace. And maybe its just me, but the most graceful thing that I can think of in a fantasy context is actually the female body - Sorry if that is in some political way wrong.
So I cant recognize the demeaning factor here - I would have drawn it exactly the same way, and not only that, were the elven girl fully armor clad from head to toe I would have thought of it as a bad representation of an elf.

Ultimately Llyorn is right - Its all subjective how we percieve fantasy and where our limits lie, and mine are not at all exceeded in this case. This is nothing compared to the cleavage monster that is Evony, please consider if you are perhaps judging a little too harsh.

Regards