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I know of 1 account that I sit for the owner has health issues (serious ones) and that account has gone from 10 cities to now 2 cause as a sitter you really cant fight a siege.  Most likely this player will leave illy cause of his health he does not need the additional stress.  Also leaders of the other side know the owner of the account cant come on often and it is hard to get in contact with him (different country then me) By the time he got a message he was under siege he ends up losing multiple cities. Yes this is one example of the happenings of the war the casual player or someone with Real Life  situations that they can not be here hours a day are suffering. 

 It is sad that this game has taken such a hateful turn for the worse in the past year.  I fight cause no one has the right to destroy everything someone worked so hard on and/or force people to leave the game.  Some people have spent real life money on prestige So yea their cities are worth money.  I also know first had how expensive it is to fight off a siege with power building from the last war.  This is most likely why there is so much bad feelings.  Everyone complained about H? from the time i joined this game almost 3 years ago... but honestly i have seen so much worse behavior from other alliances in this war then i can express.  To be honest I am ashamed of some of the leaders.  To be a good leader there needs to compassion for your enemy all i see it hate.

Hath.. I was a member of EE when you first started the alliance.. what happened to the ideals you had? the snide remarks, the baiting of people.. you are better then that.  It saddens me to see you stoop to the level i have seen in the past 2 wars..   


** edit,, now that account above has one city and his last city is under attack.. this account is not a permasat account ( like the justification for other accounts having every city sieged to respawn in newbie circle)**


Edited by tansiraine - 02 Mar 2014 at 21:49
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Deranzin, that is not at all what I said.  There are many people who have left the war, made peace and have continued to be peaceful.  That list is much longer than the few I cited in the opposite condition.  Some of the people who have made peace include Dark Blight, The Colonist Empire, The Order, and multiple members of DLords.  There are probably others I don't recall at the moment.  The key here is that they made a peace agreement and are keeping it.

There are OTHER people who have left their alliances without making peace.  Those folks have been subject to continued action as I described.  I choose not to identify specific folks on the forum because I don't see the point of calling out specific people.  If someone wishes to contact me by in-game mail, I can provide a fuller accounting.  The OP did not name any specific individuals, and I chose to follow suit.

As for the people who quit their alliances and continued fighting, I do not know why they chose the path they did.  Perhaps it was an attempt to gain sympathy.  Perhaps they intend to join some other warring alliance in the future.

In case my original point was clear, simply quitting an alliance at war is not sufficient to be considered at peace, particularly if one has taken part in war.  People who wish to make peace should contact the designated leaders of the other side to do so, or they may be subject to continued attacks until they do, particularly if they themselves continue to attack.  In the case of the alliance for which I fight, the appropriate person to contact is dittobite.

I am not aware of ANYONE who has made peace with our alliance who has then continued to be attacked.
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Originally posted by Rill Rill wrote:

I am not sure the accounts that left alliances were not fighting back.  I know my alliance continued to siege a couple of people who said they were going to make peace, left their alliances and then did continue to fight.  We continued to fight against them until they made peace or until they did not have any more available targets in the neighborhood.  It might therefore appear that the account had been kicked from the alliance for inactivity and continued to be sieged, but that was not the case in at least three instances I can think of.


If you are not sure about that would you mind checking and inform us about thing you seem sure, like who were the people that "left their alliances and then did continue to fight", because such a behavior makes no sense (if they wanted to fight, why quit their alliance in the first place) especially if such a peculiar behavior refers to more people than one.

And after that do tell us why the actions of those "three instances" should reflect on all the others ... because what you effectively said in that first sentence is that by casting doubt on EVERYONE's sincerity, you perceive every person that left the war as a potential threat which should still stay somewhere on your attack list.
 



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Originally posted by Epidemic Epidemic wrote:


Originally posted by scaramouche scaramouche wrote:


I think you seem to have lost track of what Illy is about...you do realise that a big part of this game is geared for warfare in one form or another yes?
If you haven't realised this then you are the one who needs to get your head out the sand....wake up and smell the coffee epidemic, and if you don't like the smell or like what you see go and play Farmville.


This is the farmville of all war based strategy games, you should stop drinking the coffee...


I understand you may not like the PVP side of this game and you have done a good job of staying out of it...so I do not understand your sniping at the people who do enjoy the PVP.
If your sniping is for the defence of the people who are loosing cities then why are those players not complaining for themselves...have you been elected their spokesman?
If this really was a problem for them they could quite simply follow your lead and prevent any/or minimal losses...yet they choose to fight..this suggests they also like the PVP and accept the consequences.
I could accept your criticism if you was an active participant in this war but your not...yet you are still entitled to your opinion and as a regular Illy player deserve a voice, , we all know your view there is no need to keep banging the same drum....unless ofc, this is your goal to keep up the moaning.
apologies for derailing this thread.

Edited by scaramouche - 01 Mar 2014 at 07:57
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Originally posted by scaramouche scaramouche wrote:


I think you seem to have lost track of what Illy is about...you do realise that a big part of this game is geared for warfare in one form or another yes?
If you haven't realised this then you are the one who needs to get your head out the sand....wake up and smell the coffee epidemic, and if you don't like the smell or like what you see go and play Farmville.


This is the farmville of all war based strategy games, you should stop drinking the coffee...
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I agree with Brandmeister...the sad thing is most of these players who are affected arent the perpetrators of this war but victims.  A hand full of players are responsible for this war yet the whole of the server pays the consequences.  Who are those players? well it depends on which sides spin you believe, but hath is as much of a saint as I am, and i'm a fracking atheist.


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I am not sure the accounts that left alliances were not fighting back.  I know my alliance continued to siege a couple of people who said they were going to make peace, left their alliances and then did continue to fight.  We continued to fight against them until they made peace or until they did not have any more available targets in the neighborhood.  It might therefore appear that the account had been kicked from the alliance for inactivity and continued to be sieged, but that was not the case in at least three instances I can think of.
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Originally posted by Mr Damage Mr Damage wrote:

Those against sitting will say that's a good thing, the inactive accounts well they were doomed anyway once the number of days arrive for the inactivity clause. 


Which brings the question that always pops in my mind while reading Twilights in GC ... how on earth can someone distinguish a perma-sat account for someone that went a trip, has a RL problem, had a kid or is for some time away from the game for whatever other reason .?.

Do not get this wrong, this is not an accusation ... if a person announces that he is not coming back or that his account is up for grabs, then ok, but on any other case I just cannot see how such a decision is being made so easily and I'd really like to know it ...



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Those against sitting will say that's a good thing, the inactive accounts well they were doomed anyway once the number of days arrive for the inactivity clause. 
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Illyriad might be a military-oriented strategy game, but the community adopted the position that this was a more peaceful MMO. That isn't artificial, because it's a sandbox, but that position has eroded badly in the present server war. People who have read my other posts know that I believe this kind of conflict was inevitable. If Illyriad changes, so be it. I don't think you can prevent that kind of change when the game mechanics clearly support it, and are intentionally biased in that direction.

I will comment that there are two sets of people that got wiped out. People who refused to surrender were the first. However, I watch the siege list daily, and it was quite obvious that there were also accounts that got kicked from their alliances due to inactivity (or whatever reason), and the sieges continued even though the account wasn't fighting back. I consider that unsportsmanlike, because that's razing the account of an inactive or infrequently active player, who is not actively fighting in the war.

They might have all been permasat accounts, but I thought it was poor form. Absent players can't even surrender, so unless they had sitters, the accounts were doomed.
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