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Vanerin 
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 Posted: 30 Jun 2014 at 19:32 |
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If they were truly discontent with the current state, the current state would change. It appears that the current state is more desirable than the alternative. And I am glad everyone can be content in the choices that they make.
~Vanerin
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Deranzin
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Posted: 30 Jun 2014 at 19:26 |
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I think that you got the states wrong ... Side 1 is not willing to do what it takes to end the war and is not content with the current state. Side 2 is not willing to do what it takes to end the war and is not content with the current state. and that is not "really" the "same page" since there are arguments about willingness, what it actually takes to end the war and on which point each side is not content about ...  Edited by Deranzin - 30 Jun 2014 at 19:29 |
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Vanerin
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Posted: 30 Jun 2014 at 19:23 |
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So it appears that... Side 1 is not willing to do what it takes to end the war and is content with the current state. Side 2 is not willing to do what it takes to end the war and is content with the current state. Why is there so much arguing if everyone is on the same page? ~Vanerin |
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Deranzin
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Posted: 30 Jun 2014 at 19:20 |
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I think that you are being oversensitive over the simple prediction that was recited again and again back then that the war will take at least a year ... a prediction with which most of you laughed and ridiculed at the time ... You might not like it, but it came to pass ... is that condescending .?. Since when being right and on the spot while others laugh and scorn you, is such a thing .?. If you find a nicely written "we told you so" insulting, hey, that is your problem. As for not reading, hey is that an accusation nowadays .?.  As for being puzzled, you explain me this gazzilionth "please surrender" thread when there are already so many of those with the same things in them. "Puzzled" is quite a nice word overall actually ... 
I'd say blatantly lying is defamatory by its nature ... then shouting about it when you are caught lying is quite another thing, but I'd let people reading characterize it on their own in case you grab on some word again and "cry wolf" yet again. I have not deliberately insulted anyone and I have so far only recited facts ... I never called anyone "incompetent idiot" and I am still waiting for a quote on that (which you will never find because it does not exist )I find particularly amusing that you only focus on supposed insults and you pretended not to read the rest of the things I wrote ... good job ! Shows a good tactical mind for the "new fresh war" you were talking about earlier ...  Too bad you won't find us in it ... hehehehe |
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Brids17
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Posted: 30 Jun 2014 at 19:03 |
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There was no honour. The plan was not to siege him out of the game and yet he was anyway. Starry stated that "H never allowed the mass destruction of entire accounts" And yet you did. Unless you mean you personally won't siege people out of the game but you're entirely okay with your allies doing it, which is hardly any better. Also, I left Goon (not Goonies, completely unrelated, maybe add that to you notes) because I felt it was wrong to siege him, after he was in our alliance for so long and gave so many of us huge piles of adv. resources. I felt it was a betrayal just because the almighty H? wanted to siege him. And KP, the quality of your posts speaks volumes for H?, you certainly don't need me getting you bad PR. You do that just fine on your own.
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Sir A
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Posted: 30 Jun 2014 at 18:59 |
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There is really no need for all of this debate over this war. Why over-complicate the situation for no reason? Here is what everything boils down to:
You can cry all day about "being wiped out" but that isn't going to stop the attacks on you because you are at war. I can see why H? thinks this war is personal but its really not for most of us. This is my first time fighting against H?. Every other alliance surrendered already and H? will have to do the same or keep getting attacked. That is all.
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geofrey
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Posted: 30 Jun 2014 at 18:25 |
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Here you are suggesting that you guys are smarter than your enemies, predicted events accurately when no one else could, accuse your enemies of not reading information, and then exasperate the situation by talking about how you perceive us as a bunch of puzzled individuals.
Condescending Rhetorical questions are defamatory by their nature. Or do you not understand that? EXAMPLE ^ Edited by geofrey - 30 Jun 2014 at 18:32 |
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geofrey
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Posted: 30 Jun 2014 at 18:22 |
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Thank you KP. I should have prefaced it with "Just my opinion" but I think that is a given. While you did not make the initial post, your comment changed the discussion from something other than the initial post. That is why I addressed your comment instead of the Original Post. I wish Hath would have disabled comments on his post, as I believe his intention was to just make the terms public to avoid any confusion and debate over them.
I do not suggest you surrender in bad faith. I suggest you surrender in good faith. Negotiate some peace terms (you already have done a great job on that) and stop hostilities. Accept that your armies have been defeated by a superior military force and there is nothing you can do to get ahead of that now. You are literally just bleeding out. I am not suggesting that you start up hostilities again with the same folks at a later date for the same reasons. I would be an idiot to think you would be on friendly terms with your enemies just because you accepted surrender terms, but I am not suggesting you wage war against them again for the same reasons. Whatever the purpose of this war, I think we can agree it has been resolved. Your armies lost. Your cities destroyed. your kingdom consolidated to an isolated portion of the map. But If you enjoy military conflict, and I think you do (and there is nothing wrong with that), you guys have already shown yourselves very capable at declaring war and fighting the good fight. Surrender and live to fight another day. I enjoy these conflicts (not the destruction they bring), as they bring so much action to Illyriad. They make for excellent stories as well. I want you guys to stick around. You are valuable and active members of the community who keep it interesting. |
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Deranzin
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Posted: 30 Jun 2014 at 16:56 |
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No, that is just the way I reply to EVERY post ... and I have 816 other posts to prove it Trying to pin on a whole alliance the quirks and style of one individual is a bit over-the-top imho.
Dude, your side makes a topic called a "open letter to the H? rank and file" and you ask of us to come and post our opinions and when we do that and it doesn't have the results you wanted, you call that our smear campaign .?. Get a grip, this is YOUR SIDE'S TOPIC !
And I say again that none of you bothered reading our posts explaining how H? works and thinks ... nothing that is happening now was not predicted by HonoredMule's post/announcement early in the war, yet you all seem so puzzled by it actually happening ...
Here is is a funny thing. I never said anything of the sort ... QUOTE ME IF YOU CAN and let us see who is doing "propaganda" Find a quote where I said such a thing, I DARE YOU ! Or you could apologize for blatantly lying, but I do not really expect that ... ahahaahh Edited by Deranzin - 30 Jun 2014 at 16:58 |
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geofrey
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Posted: 30 Jun 2014 at 15:54 |
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Deranzin, I appreciate you both reading my comment (YAY!) and replying to it (MORE YAY!).
I am not going to answer all of the questions you pose in your message, as I interpreted them as rhetorical. But it seems like you missed the point of my post, so I do want to take a second to clarify my point for any future forum readers. Infact you actually reinforce my point. That whole part about how I said you guys are nitpicking at any potential problems you see, just to further exasperate the war and gain sympathy by pointing out flaws. Your entire response was just that. Taking a leap at any and all issues you have with just about every sentence I typed. The one thing I will address, is that I am not telling you what and when you can post things. I am not telling you what to do. The point of my post was to display how ineffective this smear campaign strategy is. I am also not saying being a war alliance is bad. You guys enjoy combat, but you can't possibly think you can win the current war with military might. I am just saying your current strategy is a bad strategy for a military alliance. By all means keep posting war propaganda and keep insinuating that your enemies are all incompetent idiots if that is what you want to do. But I believe it is a poor strategy that will bring you no closer to victory or fame. |
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