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DeliciousJosh 
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 Posted: 28 Jun 2014 at 23:03 |
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Yes, SunStorm that is pretty accurate. We know about their stance and somewhat which strategy they have in place. Basically, we are informing the community about ongoins, as well as starting this debate to hopefully bring us closer to peace. The answers they have given so far in this thread are obvious. So are the IGM's I have recieved after sending this link of terms to all members of H.. They won't back down. They won't agree to anything. They are prepared to die.
And Korr, that is a good idea. I'm sure the GA would accept a situation like that, paying to a neutral and trusted alliance. |
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SunStorm
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Posted: 28 Jun 2014 at 22:18 |
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After being out of the game for so long, this is certainly a twist of events.
A quick history about myself for the newer players: I left the game during (and before the resolution of) the Consone war...abandoning both my accounts with their 7 and 9 cities. I became disillusioned with H? after spending close to a year in their alliance. Without going into my past too much, there is no reason I know of which would cast doubt on what I am about to say. What I would like to say is just this: If you are waiting for H? to surrender to your terms then I hope you are prepared to continue to wait...possibly forever. Whatever else might be said, whether good or bad, H? has dignity. From reading these posts, I fear you have already received your answer. Expecting for another response, perhaps one more to your liking, will be fruitless. That is, unless you are able to offer proof of the "sat" account in question (for which I have no knowledge regarding this topic, so I apologize for speaking out of ignorance). Personally, this request seems reasonable because, whether publicly known or kept in secret, a sat account is a sat account.
Best of luck to all parties involved. |
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King korr
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Posted: 28 Jun 2014 at 22:11 |
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Regarding escrow there is an easy and simple solution to me to that issue both side's pay the same amount to an netural and mutual agreeable alliance for both alliance or one for each payment ( say h pays 2 billion to alliance X and GA to alliance Z ) for an agreed upon period. if peace turns are broken then the gold is forfeit.
Once that has past the gold is transferred either back to original alliance or to opposing alliance's. That way it helps build trust between you both that peace will last as both will have something to lose if brake the peace. Then it is just down to if any more cities should be razed or captured ect which are replaceable ( yeah with cost but replaceable in the end ) and any agreed upon other restriction's. Instead of the using past wrongs to make the war last ( if both sides want's peace LET SLEEPING DOGS LAY as the saying goes.. )
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DeliciousJosh
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Posted: 28 Jun 2014 at 21:15 |
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Yes, peace has been offered in terms of talking. The diplomacy pages can be changed when talking is done and we have reached agreement. "If you really want to talk about escrow then from our perspective we've been extremely honest and specific about our intentions and goals while several folk on your side have lied and decived - so actually we're the ones who need escrow to keep you lot honest." -- KP in igm to ditto. ... and this is a direct quote from you. I would like to know (and so would everyone else I'm sure) what these: 1. Lies are and who needs to be kept honest. What has triggered the fact that you won't accept these terms? 2. Intentions and goals of yours are, from what you were thinking when you stated the above Please remember I am not very involved in what has happened in the past and I haven't read 1,000 forum posts through the time of 2012 till now about consone me here, harmless me there, ditto said this, hath did that. These two people are putting all that behind them now and trying to work something out with you. |
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DeliciousJosh
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Posted: 28 Jun 2014 at 20:59 |
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Maybe Hath did taunt Kumo in his very first sentence. That was wrong. That's why (imo) none of you guys should be talking together. There is too much in the past that have made you angry and the good words are ignored - or read in a wrong way - which results in the thoughts of ones brain becoming hostile... which then brings out bad things, mmkay.
*editted gibberish paragraphs* Facts remain GA won't stop sieges until terms are negotiated. GA have reached out with terms that are reasonable. If terms are not accepted due to whatever reason, please counter. NAAM are not going to pay an escrow, since they were actually joined the war defending a confed from you guys, which they took seriously and felt the need to lend a helping hand. That is exactly what you did too. The fact that they are still in the war, is because they are some persistent fellas, as well as many other good things. H? say that the terms are not going to be honored, because some other terms were altered at another time. *edit: what other time was it, please clarify* Let's put that behind us now, because this time it is a lot more serious and it is somewhat about the future of Illyriad. I personally don't want to see Harmless destroyed down to the last new settled towns, that you will most likely keep spamming, with resources fed from accounts not in H. etc etc. You will do everything in your power to not die, which is understandable.. -- but do we want to end up there?? --
Your move. accept or alter or disagree Edited by DeliciousJosh - 28 Jun 2014 at 21:49 |
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KillerPoodle
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Posted: 28 Jun 2014 at 20:54 |
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Peace has not been offered, neither has an olive branch. What's on offer is an insult and a last boot in the ribs. No thanks. |
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"This is a bad idea and we shouldn't do it." - endorsement by HM
"a little name-calling is a positive thing." - Rill |
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GM Rikoo
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Posted: 28 Jun 2014 at 20:03 |
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Anymore insults to each and I'll close the thread. Just stick to war chat and leave real-life out of it.
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Shadar Logoth
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Posted: 28 Jun 2014 at 19:54 |
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Wow, truelly sad state you must be in KP to come up with a retort like this.
Good luck.
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More Orc, less talking!
All that is said is my own opinion. I am not a leader nor voice for Invictus. I will always abide by Invictus's rules. |
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KillerPoodle
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Posted: 28 Jun 2014 at 19:52 |
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Yup.
Pot and Kettle.
Not true - go back and re-read the other million threads on this or see your contradictory statement below.
I'm doing the same - our members just have more balls than yours.
Now this is true - compare to your statement above and recognize the difference. Also, to repeat, because it was right for your members does not make it right for ours.
You sound like Marcellus Wallace - you remember how that turned out, right?
Oh how short memories are. The exact opposite argument was used as one of the major justifications for this entire war and held up as a prime example of how evil NC were - that is some first class hypocrisy you're displaying here.
How would you classify the last 9 months - a kiss on the cheek?
Already happened for other alliances who accepted the not-so-grand alliances terms earlier in the war - and you wonder why there's not trust here. |
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"This is a bad idea and we shouldn't do it." - endorsement by HM
"a little name-calling is a positive thing." - Rill |
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Shadar Logoth
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Posted: 28 Jun 2014 at 19:49 |
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Anyone responding after my response...
I respect your opinion, I truelly do, even if you do not feel it. But the bottom line is this. One side gave the other side a way out, just as it has been done in the olden days. You either accept it, even if you feel you have been wronged, or you don't. The outcome is your responsibility. And on a personal note, which I know it don't matter one single bit. The terms I read don't seem all that harsh at all. I seen many of my friends having had to suffer harsher terms. Don't compare, ... think... If you want to keep on existing within the game, even the mighty might have to take a tumble at certain times. It doesn't make you less, but it certainly also doesn't make your opponents wrong. Taunting eachother... I could fill a book with examples of that. Each one nastier than the other. I did at some time to. Dont make me right. But at this moment, I am not wrong either. Good luck to you all. Shad edited for: insert swear word, i had hoped to make it without a spelling error this time, but i didn't mia culpa...
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More Orc, less talking!
All that is said is my own opinion. I am not a leader nor voice for Invictus. I will always abide by Invictus's rules. |
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