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    Posted: 17 Dec 2014 at 19:49
Well, I don't know what to tell you guys. They must have changed it at some point, because I have 20 scribes in captured cities that came with the discovery.
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Allembine scribes are definitely nice to have, but I don't see them as critical, mainly because I'm not overly concerned about someone finding out my resources and building levels.  Sure, I prefer my privacy like anyone else, but of all the diplo units, I would probably be concerned about spies the least, particularly since the introduction of trade hubs.

  However, there are different playing styles.  I'd be interested to hear from people who see spy defense as critical -- I am sure there are aspects of the game I haven't thought through thoroughly enough, and I'd like to learn.

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I'm getting messages ending like this:
Quote The Order of Allembine is pleased at your dedication to this matter, but note that you already possess the knowledge of this Genealogy in this town, and must look elsewhere for further information.

I have the full compliment of results at Quests > Mysteries, and

I'm getting +100 research:

Research
TypeProductionBonusFood
Consumed
Library (Level 20)101337
Discovery: Allembine Research Techniques100
Environment - Waning Crescent Moon4.00 %
Taxation-36.00 %
Total Research Production756
Sovereignty Upkeep- 608
Total Research Balance148

So I'm just missing the scribes themselves, which would be effective as diplomatic defence.
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i have 63 scribes in one city .. maybe they made this city as an evac when I've lost cities before. lmao
Disclaimer: The above is jcx|orcboy's personal opinion and is not the opinion or policy of Harmless? [H?] or of the little green men that have been following him all day.

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Originally posted by Brandmeister Brandmeister wrote:

I sent spies out and re-earned all the scribes again.
Thanks; I'll try that and report back in a few days.
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Thank you for your responses. That means that I must have some other problem causing what I am seeing, so I will look some more elsewhere. You guys are the greatest.
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Why research points? The scribes consume only gold.

I can only verify my own experience: I captured a city, the Allembine Research Techniques discovery was complete, but I sent spies out and re-earned all the scribes again.

If somebody were determined to know the details, they could embed a scribe into an army and kill it, and see if it could be earned back.
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If you are unlucky enough to run out of resources or research points, the units could be disbanded.

In which case, I'm conflicted about whether they should be restored by re-completing the mysteries. Looking at the situation carefully, I expect:
  1. The Scribes would turn their nose up at a player with a track record for failing to retain them.
  2. The mysteries are known to you, so why would you go out to rediscover them?
My above thoughts, despite having lost them myself in one town.

Edit: correction, as pointed out in subsequent posts.


Edited by Albatross - 16 Dec 2014 at 17:03
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You can't lose defending diplos.

You could, I suppose, lose them if they are embedded in an army, and the army dies. But who does that with scribes?

Also, captured cities can always repeat the scribes quest for the new owner, and receive scribes, even if the discovery is already completed.
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Allembine scribes are critical units. However currently, if someone spies you, you can easily lose them, and your city will be handi-capped for life thereafter, with no way of fixing it. Please reset whether the city spied the human statue if it has no allembine scribes in it, so that it can spy it out again in order to regain the scribes.
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