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Brids17
Postmaster General
Joined: 30 Jul 2010
Location: Canada
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Points: 1483
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Posted: 17 Apr 2012 at 20:16 |
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This is exactly why it should have stayed within the alliance and off the forums.
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Thatkindaorc
Greenhorn
Joined: 12 Feb 2012
Location: Austin
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Points: 53
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Posted: 17 Apr 2012 at 23:16 |
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I think letting people know why an alliance is doing something, when faced with uncommunicative or unreasonable conflicts, is perfectly valid. It's there so that if it comes up in GC that CalCrow was thieving from a small player, they can point to this thread and go, "Yes, we stole from him, that's why, it's all out there in the open."
"It was on the forums so it should be argued about" isn't a valid defense for making an unreasonable argument.
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M6 Redneck
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Joined: 09 Nov 2011
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Points: 28
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Posted: 18 Apr 2012 at 00:40 |
Actions have consequences. I personally think in the thieves case the consequences are light. As to the consequences making our intentions public, if it has to be the braying of farm yard creatures - so be it. M6
Edited by M6 Redneck - 18 Apr 2012 at 00:40
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Brids17
Postmaster General
Joined: 30 Jul 2010
Location: Canada
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Points: 1483
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Posted: 18 Apr 2012 at 01:09 |
Thatkindaorc wrote:
I think letting people know why an alliance is doing something, when faced with uncommunicative or unreasonable conflicts, is perfectly valid. It's there so that if it comes up in GC that CalCrow was thieving from a small player, they can point to this thread and go, "Yes, we stole from him, that's why, it's all out there in the open."
"It was on the forums so it should be argued about" isn't a valid defense for making an unreasonable argument.
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I've never taken something to the forums before and I've been playing for nearly two years now. While I think some cases it's necessary I don't think something as small as this is. Small matters such as this are best kept within the alliance, otherwise you have people arguing on the forums about whether or not it's ok and that's not really worth the effort for something like this.
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Luthien Telrunya
New Poster
Joined: 16 Apr 2012
Location: United States
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Points: 1
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Posted: 18 Apr 2012 at 02:06 |
Brids17 wrote:
Thatkindaorc wrote:
I think letting people know why an alliance is doing something, when faced with uncommunicative or unreasonable conflicts, is perfectly valid. It's there so that if it comes up in GC that CalCrow was thieving from a small player, they can point to this thread and go, "Yes, we stole from him, that's why, it's all out there in the open."
"It was on the forums so it should be argued about" isn't a valid defense for making an unreasonable argument.
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I've never taken something to the forums before and I've been playing for nearly two years now. While I think some cases it's necessary I don't think something as small as this is. Small matters such as this are best kept within the alliance, otherwise you have people arguing on the forums about whether or not it's ok and that's not really worth the effort for something like this.
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Both of you have valid points. It has been discussed on whether or not this was a forum worthy offence. In the end was was seen as a #7 alliance taking action against a 4 member alliance. Most people will believe what ever they hear first. If the smaller alliance had come out and said that we had attacked them un-provoked that could have caused a lot of trouble before the dust settled. But then again, nothing may have happened and we could have avoided this nice little conversation all together.
Now some of you have suggested that we wait longer, but we have waited 15 days for a reply and have not gotten one. The leader of the alliance did not stay in communication with us. And even after we threatened to take action still sat by and did nothing. All he would have had to do was send some resource to help compensate for what was lost and all would have been fine, but he did not do this.
It clearly states that we are a peaceful alliance but we will not tolerate anyone who messes with one of our members. Newer players need to be careful about who they "practice" on. I understand the excitement of having your 1st diplo or 1st army, but you can't just send them out to anyone you feel like.
I'm done for now  ...
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Subatoi
Forum Warrior
Joined: 01 Mar 2012
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Points: 380
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Posted: 18 Apr 2012 at 02:28 |
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Man the harpoons I suppose.
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Stort
New Poster
Joined: 12 Feb 2012
Location: Australia
Status: Offline
Points: 22
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Posted: 19 Apr 2012 at 00:08 |
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One of the attractions of Illyriad is the self-regulating umbrella that has evolved, namely GC? Without any formal mandate it can protect our new players from bullying and allow them to build up, way beyond the protection period afforded by the game itself. This is what makes Illy stand out amongst other games.
However, because of this, GC can also become a Kangaroo Court where simple silly acts or incorrect assumptions lead to a public trial, where uninformed comment spreads like wildfire and suddenly a player's reputation or an Alliance's reputation are tainted.
Conscious of this The Calaquendi have made a decision that even small issues where we may retaliate for a transgression, will be openly and honestly posted to the diplomatic forum.
Mistakes happen, often by newbs, sometimes by accident and as an alliance we will try to resolve the issue as fairly as possible. we contact the player concerned and if no response, the leader of the alliance. If no response is received, we WILL act to recover any losses on behalf of our members. By posting this upfront in the forum, then we can avoid the scenario of 'big alliance attacking a small player or small alliance'.
Big or small, we will resort to force only as a last resort. We will look to take back what was lost or stolen and without punitive damages.
Afterall, what use is an alliance that does not assist its members and deliver on the promise of security inferred by being a part of an alliance?
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Bonaparta
Postmaster
Joined: 03 Nov 2011
Location: Milky Way
Status: Offline
Points: 541
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Posted: 19 Apr 2012 at 11:24 |
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Very restrained response to obviously aggressive act.
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ULYSSEUS
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Joined: 26 Jun 2011
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Points: 35
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Posted: 21 Apr 2012 at 08:52 |
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Sometimes I think situations here in Illy land are way over dissected. It has gotten to the point where everyone is paralyzed to make a move for fear of upsetting the Illy community as a whole.
I understand the need for posting this situation. I have experienced first hand what happens when even the rightful actions of an alliance are broadcast in global chat. The lynch mob goes into full swing, with no clear idea of the facts involved or the situation at hand.
Not always but a good percentage of the time it seems like the person who cries loudest in global wins the day.
An alliance retaliating after suffering an attack or attacks should be expected without exception. It should not have to be validated by the community.
As to the level of response, well I have found a little overkill is more of a deterrent than a little underkill.
If all diplomatic avenues have been truly exhausted then you do what you have to do to resolve the situation. Least ways that what my old Gunnery Sgt used to advise. But hey, to each his own...
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Some men die young, some men die old, but all men die.
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