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Thatkindaorc 
Greenhorn
Joined: 12 Feb 2012
Location: Austin
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Points: 53
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 Posted: 17 Apr 2012 at 19:50 |
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An unprovoked attack was met with a proportionate and limited (and non-military) response. Theft was met with proportionate recovery. Objecting to this sort of thing makes you sound unreasonable, EF, I think CalCrow did the responsible, rational thing.
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Subatoi
Forum Warrior
Joined: 01 Mar 2012
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Points: 380
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Posted: 17 Apr 2012 at 19:42 |
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Next time I see it in GC I'll copy the log Kumo
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Kumomoto
Postmaster General
Joined: 19 Oct 2009
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Points: 2224
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Posted: 17 Apr 2012 at 19:39 |
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I don't know of anyone saying to new players-- "If you attack someone as a newish player, don't worry, no one can attack you back".
I personally would have reduced the town to rubble. I find CalCrows actions as quite restrained.
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Subatoi
Forum Warrior
Joined: 01 Mar 2012
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Points: 380
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Posted: 17 Apr 2012 at 19:15 |
Which if it is acceptable means there was no real need for this to be put on the forums. This was put on the forums so if it developed into "this alliance is attacking me helllppp*" this alliance here could say "here is our side". So they are worried that their actions, hostile as they are could be perceived as hostile by the general global community and have to back down or pay reparations etc.
* which of course would not happen if there wasn't a large broadcast of pacifism in GC to new players with the promise "If you are attacked we'll help you"
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blazing arrow
New Poster
Joined: 07 Oct 2011
Status: Offline
Points: 31
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Posted: 17 Apr 2012 at 19:14 |
I agree with Taelin and Rill.. Responsible of CalCrow members to apprise of he situation lest you wuld have seen a smaller player/alliance crying their hearts out to the world branding themselves as the 'victim' and CalCrow as the 'agressors" As for sending thieves in return to recover the losses I say its a fair decision to not only educate a smaller player but discourage people frm doing what they feel like in their starting days...
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Rill
Postmaster General
Player Council - Geographer
Joined: 17 Jun 2011
Location: California
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Points: 6903
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Posted: 17 Apr 2012 at 18:48 |
The message that is communicated to new players is that Illy is a friendly place for new players, but that attacking others has consequences. This would be an example of one of those consequences.
I don't think that anyone has ever implied that one can attack others with impunity as long as one is sufficiently small. Indeed, I have stated the opposite on numerous occasions.
I have seen members of the community use restraint in the methods they use to respond to provocations, in particular from smaller players. In this case, they are responding with a round of diplomatic units, not with sieges.
Seems like it's consistent with the Illy ethos as I describe it to newer players. Of course not everyone sees Illy the way I do, but I'm not sure whose views you are disagreeing with. Certainly they are not mine.
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Subatoi
Forum Warrior
Joined: 01 Mar 2012
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Points: 380
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Posted: 17 Apr 2012 at 15:12 |
 Bartozzi wrote:
It looks to me that the thieves were being sent to Recoup the losses. How is that unfair? |
Seems odd coming from the white flag toting GP's. I thought it was instructed to all new players that this was a *friendly* community. It's a *non-hostile* community that takes pride in being such. So if the community is truly non hostile, or in another word, lacking enmity. Then why do situations like these occur, perhaps the player in question is on a business trip? Or the alliance leader, or both.
Perhaps waiting for a reply on their part would be *better* ?
Edited by Subatoi - 17 Apr 2012 at 15:43
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Taelin
Wordsmith
Joined: 22 Jan 2012
Location: UK
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Points: 108
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Posted: 17 Apr 2012 at 12:30 |
I don't see what all the fuss is about: Alliances are entitled to protect their own; you could say that's what they are there for.
If you thieve from an alliance member and then no one responds to communications seeking a resolution you get a more concrete message, some people might have responded more aggressively... the relative sizes of the players and alliances seem beside the point.
As for posting - seems a sensible precaution to get your version of events out there first.
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Createure
Postmaster General
Joined: 07 Apr 2010
Location: uk
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Points: 1191
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Posted: 17 Apr 2012 at 12:05 |
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eye for an eye...
...eventually everyone is blind.
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Gilthoniel
Forum Warrior
Joined: 11 Oct 2011
Location: Cuiviénen
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Points: 211
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Posted: 17 Apr 2012 at 11:40 |
Subatoi wrote:
So you want people to educate others on pacifism by hitting them with thieves?
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No. Quite the opposite :) We have sent mails to the player concerned and also to the leader of his alliance but we have had no reply. The Calaquendi would prefer to resolve this issue peaceably and by negotiation and even now would appeal to the alliance to answer our mails so that we can sort this out without any fuss. However our alliance will not allow others to attack or steal from our cities. If we are unable to resolve this issue by common sense then we reserve the right to recover our losses.
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